Comments on: The Art of Manliness Podcast Episode #17: The Code of Chivalry with Scott Farrell http://artofmanliness.com/2010/02/15/the-art-of-manliness-podcast-episode-17-the-code-of-chivalry-with-scott-farrell/ Men's Interests and Lifestyle Sun, 12 Feb 2012 07:42:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Valerie http://artofmanliness.com/2010/02/15/the-art-of-manliness-podcast-episode-17-the-code-of-chivalry-with-scott-farrell/comment-page-1/#comment-98357 Valerie Fri, 26 Mar 2010 17:05:40 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=8974#comment-98357 As a lover of medieval literature, true chivalry is something that interests me greatly! Originally, it was a code of honor for knights to follow involving protection of the weak (including women), and using their assets (education, money, and even sword) to this end, and not for their own gains. To see the real meaning of chivalry in action, read the Grail stories, particularly Gawain and the Green Knight. If you were to translate the old meaning of chivalry as closely as possible to modern terms, it would be about standing up for the down-trodden. Volunteering time at a homeless shelter or donating goods/money/services to a battered women's shelter, or even just standing up for someone being bullied. Embody the code of a true knight - that of protector of the people! Opening doors and standing up when a woman sits at your table are all very polite and gentlemanly, but missing the mark on true chivalry. Chivalry (protecting the weak) being mixed up with gentlemanly treatment of women (opening the door, etc.) is why some women see opening the door as treating them as week. Breaking that stereotype will end that misconception. Opening the door or carrying her bags is NOT chivalry and is not something you do because a woman is weak. It's because she deserves to be treated with courtesy, as all people do. If you're clear on the difference and adhere to both, you can promote both ideals and at the same time prove that you don't think women are weak - brownie points all around. :-D As a lover of medieval literature, true chivalry is something that interests me greatly! Originally, it was a code of honor for knights to follow involving protection of the weak (including women), and using their assets (education, money, and even sword) to this end, and not for their own gains. To see the real meaning of chivalry in action, read the Grail stories, particularly Gawain and the Green Knight.

If you were to translate the old meaning of chivalry as closely as possible to modern terms, it would be about standing up for the down-trodden. Volunteering time at a homeless shelter or donating goods/money/services to a battered women’s shelter, or even just standing up for someone being bullied. Embody the code of a true knight – that of protector of the people! Opening doors and standing up when a woman sits at your table are all very polite and gentlemanly, but missing the mark on true chivalry.

Chivalry (protecting the weak) being mixed up with gentlemanly treatment of women (opening the door, etc.) is why some women see opening the door as treating them as week. Breaking that stereotype will end that misconception. Opening the door or carrying her bags is NOT chivalry and is not something you do because a woman is weak. It’s because she deserves to be treated with courtesy, as all people do. If you’re clear on the difference and adhere to both, you can promote both ideals and at the same time prove that you don’t think women are weak – brownie points all around. :-D

]]> By: Dave http://artofmanliness.com/2010/02/15/the-art-of-manliness-podcast-episode-17-the-code-of-chivalry-with-scott-farrell/comment-page-1/#comment-95240 Dave Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:12:17 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=8974#comment-95240 ...And having just posted that, I realized that I left out something really important: Just as men are failing to teach their daughters how they should expect to be treated, so are fathers failing to teach their sons how women are to be treated. This is every bit as critical as the rest. …And having just posted that, I realized that I left out something really important: Just as men are failing to teach their daughters how they should expect to be treated, so are fathers failing to teach their sons how women are to be treated. This is every bit as critical as the rest.

]]> By: Dave http://artofmanliness.com/2010/02/15/the-art-of-manliness-podcast-episode-17-the-code-of-chivalry-with-scott-farrell/comment-page-1/#comment-95239 Dave Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:09:07 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=8974#comment-95239 How interesting! Great podcast. Much of the revulsion of chivalry, and the attacks upon it, from the women's libbers has disappeared. I suspect that some women began to catch on that it wasn't such a bad thing the first time a door was let fly right into their faces, rather than the male just ahead holding it for them. That was always a curious notion, as an example of chivalry, or to me just good manners, made more so by the fact that in the military I would hold the door for my commander or a private in the same manner as for a lady, and my commander would do the same for me. Who was it that said something like there being no better sign of a person's character than how he or she treats others when they don't have to? Men are the first to hold responsible for the loss of civil behavior today. But women are no less to blame; one of Scott's most important points was this: "Women were the arbiters of chivalry." Indeed. Sadly, men - today's fathers - are failing to teach their daughters how they should expect to be treated by other men. The consequences of this failure are tragic. I have several sets of codes that are mutually supportive, each building on the other. And, for the record, I'm in my 60's. They are: The Ten Commandments The Scout Oath The Scout Law The Scout Motto The Scout Slogan. Maybe Mr. Baden-Powell was on to something, do you think? How interesting! Great podcast.
Much of the revulsion of chivalry, and the attacks upon it, from the women’s libbers has disappeared. I suspect that some women began to catch on that it wasn’t such a bad thing the first time a door was let fly right into their faces, rather than the male just ahead holding it for them. That was always a curious notion, as an example of chivalry, or to me just good manners, made more so by the fact that in the military I would hold the door for my commander or a private in the same manner as for a lady, and my commander would do the same for me.

Who was it that said something like there being no better sign of a person’s character than how he or she treats others when they don’t have to?

Men are the first to hold responsible for the loss of civil behavior today. But women are no less to blame; one of Scott’s most important points was this: “Women were the arbiters of chivalry.” Indeed. Sadly, men – today’s fathers – are failing to teach their daughters how they should expect to be treated by other men. The consequences of this failure are tragic.

I have several sets of codes that are mutually supportive, each building on the other. And, for the record, I’m in my 60′s. They are:
The Ten Commandments
The Scout Oath
The Scout Law
The Scout Motto
The Scout Slogan.

Maybe Mr. Baden-Powell was on to something, do you think?

]]> By: boomer babe http://artofmanliness.com/2010/02/15/the-art-of-manliness-podcast-episode-17-the-code-of-chivalry-with-scott-farrell/comment-page-1/#comment-93868 boomer babe Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:24:23 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=8974#comment-93868 Since chivalry 'seems' to be dead, you have males acting badly--I believe that is how men become stronger 'in a sense' . I believe that is why we have so much filth and porn in music especially 'rap' you can thank our generation for destroying the balancing act between male and female--girls look sad today... Since chivalry ‘seems’ to be dead, you have males acting badly–I believe that is how men become stronger ‘in a sense’ . I believe that is why we have so much filth and porn in music especially ‘rap’ you can thank our generation for destroying the balancing act between male and female–girls look sad today…

]]> By: boomer babe http://artofmanliness.com/2010/02/15/the-art-of-manliness-podcast-episode-17-the-code-of-chivalry-with-scott-farrell/comment-page-1/#comment-93863 boomer babe Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:17:16 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=8974#comment-93863 Chivarly isn't dead but most silly women ALMOST killed it: im hoping that the generation born after 1990 brings it back(I love it when men open the door for me) Chivarly isn’t dead but most silly women ALMOST killed it: im hoping that the generation born after 1990 brings it back(I love it when men open the door for me)

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