Comments on: The Art of Manliness Podcast Episode #14: Men to Boys and the Making of Modern Immaturity http://artofmanliness.com/2010/01/12/the-art-of-manliness-podcast-episode-14-men-to-boys-and-the-making-of-modern-immaturity/ Men's Interests and Lifestyle Sat, 11 Feb 2012 22:41:17 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kelly http://artofmanliness.com/2010/01/12/the-art-of-manliness-podcast-episode-14-men-to-boys-and-the-making-of-modern-immaturity/comment-page-1/#comment-108868 Kelly Mon, 12 Jul 2010 04:10:31 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=8404#comment-108868 My father is definitely the hard-working sacrifice-for-the family type of man. My husband is a dream chaser, and a fun-seeker. The kind some may pin with the peter-pan complex. I think both generations have their strengths and differences, but as a woman, I often wonder how things would be different for myself if my husband were more like my father. I'm very happy and content in my marriage, but I think it is a different happy and content than what my mother feels in her marriage. My father is definitely the hard-working sacrifice-for-the family type of man. My husband is a dream chaser, and a fun-seeker. The kind some may pin with the peter-pan complex. I think both generations have their strengths and differences, but as a woman, I often wonder how things would be different for myself if my husband were more like my father.
I’m very happy and content in my marriage, but I think it is a different happy and content than what my mother feels in her marriage.

]]> By: Core http://artofmanliness.com/2010/01/12/the-art-of-manliness-podcast-episode-14-men-to-boys-and-the-making-of-modern-immaturity/comment-page-1/#comment-102120 Core Sun, 23 May 2010 16:20:21 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=8404#comment-102120 I just wanted to mention something important... (I did not read through all these post...) But I did listen to the entire podcast. During 1971 or 1974, Gold was unlinked from the dollar. So inflation went up by huge amounts. So, where as you could save money, because it was actually money at that time, and did not lose its value... it turned into currency, basically IOU's and debt... and so its a lot harder to catch up today. That's the truth. And then you count the damned higher taxes... its ridiculous. I just wanted to mention something important… (I did not read through all these post…) But I did listen to the entire podcast.

During 1971 or 1974, Gold was unlinked from the dollar. So inflation went up by huge amounts. So, where as you could save money, because it was actually money at that time, and did not lose its value… it turned into currency, basically IOU’s and debt… and so its a lot harder to catch up today. That’s the truth. And then you count the damned higher taxes… its ridiculous.

]]> By: JaimeInTexas http://artofmanliness.com/2010/01/12/the-art-of-manliness-podcast-episode-14-men-to-boys-and-the-making-of-modern-immaturity/comment-page-1/#comment-101286 JaimeInTexas Tue, 11 May 2010 16:53:25 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=8404#comment-101286 I am about to listen to the podcast but, first, I read the comments. Being a husband AND a father may not be the sine qua non of maturity but it is miles ahead in the training. I am a father of 4, in a single income home. If you do not have children you do not know what sacrifice is, unless, you have chosen a life where you sacrifice, give up things, for others. The key is sacrifice. Truly, where your choice requires depriving yourself of something of value to you for the benefit of another. That is maturity! I am about to listen to the podcast but, first, I read the comments.

Being a husband AND a father may not be the sine qua non of maturity but it is miles ahead in the training. I am a father of 4, in a single income home. If you do not have children you do not know what sacrifice is, unless, you have chosen a life where you sacrifice, give up things, for others. The key is sacrifice. Truly, where your choice requires depriving yourself of something of value to you for the benefit of another. That is maturity!

]]> By: Modern Maturity: Create More, Consume Less | The Art of Manliness http://artofmanliness.com/2010/01/12/the-art-of-manliness-podcast-episode-14-men-to-boys-and-the-making-of-modern-immaturity/comment-page-1/#comment-99315 Modern Maturity: Create More, Consume Less | The Art of Manliness Fri, 09 Apr 2010 03:38:53 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=8404#comment-99315 [...] doing the podcast on the “Making of Modern Immaturity” a few months ago, and reading the comments left on that post, I got to thinking about this [...] [...] doing the podcast on the “Making of Modern Immaturity” a few months ago, and reading the comments left on that post, I got to thinking about this [...]

]]> By: Finnian http://artofmanliness.com/2010/01/12/the-art-of-manliness-podcast-episode-14-men-to-boys-and-the-making-of-modern-immaturity/comment-page-1/#comment-80915 Finnian Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:14:10 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=8404#comment-80915 @George Rosebush- "What I meant by “I can’t convince them otherwise” was that if someone BELIEVES what he’s saying to be true, I can’t change beliefs with logic." Why not? A thinking person should always be able to be convinced, should always be open to changing his or her beliefs when presented with a logical argument. That is the very basis of argumentation. We start with different ideas, different beliefs, and we go about presenting our respective cases. For argumentation to be useful, both sides have to be willing to actually listen and have to be open to being convinced. If either side or both are unable or unwilling to do that, the whole exercise is futile. "To think that what I said represents a whole generation of people is, well, an opinion isn’t it?" Yes, but that is not what I said. At least, that is not what I meant. I was trying to point out (perhaps poorly) that perhaps there was a clue in your comment as to why in today's world we seem to be unable to reach any agreements. Everyone has his or her beliefs, and they are deeply held and unshakable. No matter how logical the argument many people seem unwilling or unable to be convinced to change their beliefs. I wonder why? I suspect it is because many people do not really think anymore. At least, they do not think at a level that forces them to change their habits and actions. "Instead of nitpicking my phrasing, how about you respond to some of the other well made arguments (Steve B, Descamel, Jeff Wong)?" I do not think I was nitpicking your phrasing. Brett pointed out what he saw as a failure in your logic, and you responded, "There’s no point in a logical argument, I didn’t like what this guy was saying." I don't know what else to add here. Your response was an emotional one. Your reason for disagreeing was based on "like," not logical problems with his position. I found it interesting and sought to point it out because I thought it was insightful. No attack on your character intended, and I apologize if I offended you. Now it is my turn to sit down. @George Rosebush-

“What I meant by “I can’t convince them otherwise” was that if someone BELIEVES what he’s saying to be true, I can’t change beliefs with logic.”

Why not? A thinking person should always be able to be convinced, should always be open to changing his or her beliefs when presented with a logical argument. That is the very basis of argumentation. We start with different ideas, different beliefs, and we go about presenting our respective cases. For argumentation to be useful, both sides have to be willing to actually listen and have to be open to being convinced. If either side or both are unable or unwilling to do that, the whole exercise is futile.

“To think that what I said represents a whole generation of people is, well, an opinion isn’t it?”

Yes, but that is not what I said. At least, that is not what I meant. I was trying to point out (perhaps poorly) that perhaps there was a clue in your comment as to why in today’s world we seem to be unable to reach any agreements. Everyone has his or her beliefs, and they are deeply held and unshakable. No matter how logical the argument many people seem unwilling or unable to be convinced to change their beliefs. I wonder why? I suspect it is because many people do not really think anymore. At least, they do not think at a level that forces them to change their habits and actions.

“Instead of nitpicking my phrasing, how about you respond to some of the other well made arguments (Steve B, Descamel, Jeff Wong)?”

I do not think I was nitpicking your phrasing. Brett pointed out what he saw as a failure in your logic, and you responded, “There’s no point in a logical argument, I didn’t like what this guy was saying.” I don’t know what else to add here. Your response was an emotional one. Your reason for disagreeing was based on “like,” not logical problems with his position. I found it interesting and sought to point it out because I thought it was insightful. No attack on your character intended, and I apologize if I offended you.

Now it is my turn to sit down.

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