Manliness: The Baby and the Bathwater

by Brett & Kate McKay on November 8, 2009 · 63 comments

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Last week Daniel started an interesting discussion in the AoM Community on what progress men have made in the last 50 years. He was inspired to pose this question by my podcast interview with Walker Lamond, and more specifically, Walker’s comments about how we threw the baby out with the bathwater as it concerns having rules that govern a man’s life.
The Art of Manliness clearly looks to the past for inspiration. But we’re not naive enough to believe that the past was an unmitigated good. So both the podcast and the discussion got me thinking about this question: When it comes to manliness today, what parts of the tradition of manliness should we seek to keep and preserve and what parts should we be happy to assign to the dustbin of history? In other words, what’s the baby and what’s the bathwater? Here’s my humble opinion.

The Bathwater

The oppression of women. For most of human history being a man meant being the superior half of the population. Men did honor women, but they also put them on a pedestal, considering them too good or pure to be sullied by the pursuits of men. This barred women from sports, academia, careers, the military, politics and so on.

Some men feel nostalgic for a simpler time where men and women had clearer roles, and think that putting women back in “their place” will return society to the way it was in the “good old days.” Personally, I think the liberation of women has been largely a good thing for both men and women. I’m glad that I could marry a woman who’s my intellectual equal and who has a mind of her own- a woman who’s not dependent on me for her whole identity. I’m glad women can follow their passions and be themselves. Has the feminist movement had some negative effects on women? Sure. But a  man should prize freedom, not just for himself, but for everyone. Women folk included.

A man should suppress his emotions. Decades ago the standard for manliness was the motion picture cowboy. Taciturn and reserved, this man was stoic in both good times and bad. Crying was for sissies. Such reticence may have worked well in the Old West, but as husbands and fathers, such an approach left wives and children emotionally wanting. Many a Baby Boomer man grew up in a home where hearing their dad say “I love you” was a bi-annual occurrence. And where a wife would seek comfort or understanding from her husband, only to be met with stony silence. Men today are free to cry when it’s appropriate, openly show love to their family and friends, and acknowledge their feelings and passions. Some men have taken this emotional openness too far, and let their emotions completely control them instead of the other way around. But when a man can acknowledge and express his emotions in a mature fashion, while keeping them under control, this is an incredibly healthy thing.

There’s only one way to be a man. While it’s easy to be nostalgic for the days of gray flannel suits, 3 martini lunches, and cars with fins, it was also a time of rigid conformity. Being a successful man was narrowly defined-you had “made it” if you had a secure corporate job, a pretty wife who stayed home with your 3 kids, and a split-level house in the suburbs. Men who had a different vision of how to lead a satisfying life either suppressed these dreams or embraced a different path and suffered the snub of society.

While we often think of the feminist movement in terms of giving women a greater number of options, it helped liberate men from the idea that there was only one way to be a man, too. These days a man should still be a provider, but now he can provide by working and bringing in money or by being a stay-at-home dad and raising his kids. A man in an apron cooking in the kitchen is no longer the set-up of a sitcom joke but a legitimate interest. If a man wants to be a nurse, or an elementary school teacher, or an artist, then he’s now more likely to be greeted with a pat on the back than a snicker.

Dads don’t need to be too hands on in the child rearing department. Even the men in my father’s generation weren’t expected to change diapers. Men used to be able to get away with coming home, patting the kids on the head, and then settling in front of the television with a beer. Today men are expected to be just as hands on with the kids as moms. Attending their kids’ sports games, going on father/son outings and daddy/daughter dates, burping and feeding the baby, etc.

While this has certainly added more to a man’s plate, and made it harder to enjoy things that grandpa did, like membership in a fraternal lodge, most dads find it rewarding to play a bigger role in their kids’ lives, and children have benefited from seeing more of dad.

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Homophobia. As we wrote about in our article on the history of male friendship, men used to enjoy much closer bonds with each other than they do today. In the 19th century, men felt completely free show their buddies physical affection and tell their friends just how much they meant to them without any fear of being called a “fag.” It was only in the first half of the 20th century, when homosexuality started being analyzed, written about, and denounced, that men started to feel self-conscious about whether or not their actions might be construed as being “gay.” Some modern men still can’t get emotionally or physically close to other men because they don’t want others to think they’re a “homo.”

No matter your stance on the morality of homosexuality, men today should feel secure enough in their sexuality not to care if they come off as “gay” to others.

The Baby

Leadership. In reading Tom Brokaw’s book, The Greatest Generation, I was struck by the way the men of the past embraced, nay, relished leadership roles. They prized the chance to take on responsibility and guide something towards a lofty goal. Today young men hide from leadership positions, hoping no one will notice them so they can just hang out in the background without any work to do.

From politics, to business, to family, the world needs men of leadership, men who are willing to take on the responsibility of making things right.

Initiative and ambition. Today, women outnumber men at colleges, universities, graduate schools, and some law and medical schools as well. Women also get better grades and are more likely to graduate than men. The feminist movement lit a fire under women’s bums, and it seems a lot of men became content to let them surge ahead while they pulled up a chair and had a beer. But men have always thrived on competition, on the desire to be the alpha male, on the will to be their very best. Not enough has been expected of men in our modern age, and it’s become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Men and women are different. So above we said that men and women are equal. But that doesn’t mean men and women are exactly the same. I’m not a “men are from Mars, women are from Venus” guy; I’d say we’re more alike than we are different. But we’re definitely different, and I think we should celebrate that fact instead of pretending like it isn’t so.

It seems to me that young people today are awakening from the Eunuch Era and embracing the fact that they like to feel like men and women. And that they want there to be some differences in how we treat and interact with each other.

Chivalry and courtship. Our grandfathers held women in such high esteem that they deemed it worthwhile to put in some effort to woo them and treat them with class. They didn’t just hang out with them, they asked them on real dates. Physical intimacy was a sign of commitment in a relationship, not a recreational activity born out of boredom.

Some people think chivalry is sexist; but they’re missing the point. It’s a code of behavior to remind us that men and women are different, which is why it gives both sexes a good feeling.  It’s simply a sign of mutual respect-men and women both do symbolic things for each other to show their affection. Some of the things that men do happen to have been codified into a set of more specific rules.

Manners and rules. Somewhere along the way, being virtuous and well-mannered became associated with being sissy, so that the cultured, polite man began to be seen as effeminate, while the uncouth, disheveled slob became the symbol of the “man’s man.” But the men of yesteryear understood that respect for others was one of the fundamental principles of manliness. And that manners were not baseless outward forms, but important ways to communicate that respect. Instead of stifling us, rules can be liberating. In Walker Lamond’s book, Rules for My Unborn Son, he said:

“Somewhere along the way, rules got a bad name. People wanted freedom. Authority was questioned, rules were broken, dress codes banished! Rules were seen as antiquated obstacles to individualism and progress. Barbers were ignored, ties packed away. And the game of life suddenly got a bit sloppier, more uncertain, and even a bit less fun. My father….understood that a man of strong character, who took pride his appearance and behavior, was given the most liberty to have fun. And so he had rules.”

And one of the rules that men lived by was:

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Dressing and grooming well. It seems like every time we post an article on dressing or grooming on the site, we get an angry complaint from a reader who wants to know what haircuts or suits have to do with manliness. These men have forgotten something that their grandfathers knew very well.

The core of manliness will always be your character, your internal values. But those internal values on the inside should correlate with how you present yourself on the outside. If you are a man who is powerful, organized, disciplined, and confident, then that should be projected in your appearance. Your inside and outside are not two separate and unrelated things; there should be a clear correlation between the two.

It’s all fine and dandy to say that in theory a man should wear whatever he likes and if he wants to walk around in sweatpants and a t-shirt  then that f-you attitude really epitomizes manliness. But that’s a completely modern idea of manliness, a clear marker of the disappearance of our civility. For centuries men understood that a person’s clothes show respect for others and respect for an occasion. Yes, you can “be your own man” and show up to a wedding in jeans, but in choosing to detract from instead add to the ambiance, you show a true disrespect for the solemnity of the occasion.

The 9 manly virtues. How well a man lived the manly virtues was the ultimate test of manliness for our grandfathers. These were the values a true man strove to build his life around. Some of them we have written about already; the others we will cover in the months and years to come. They are the timeless benchmarks of manliness and no matter how much the world changes, they should be fervently embraced by each generation of men and taught to the next generation of men.

Alright, that’s what I think, but it’s just one man’s opinion. What progress do you think men have made in the past 100 years? What trappings of manliness should we leave in the dustbin of history? What values of the past should we preserve? Share your thoughts in the comments. And please, remember to show the class, civility, and intelligent discussion that we’re accustomed to here on AoM.


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1 Sal November 14, 2009 at 10:36 am

Great post and very true. As far as appearance and dressing goes, you are judged by your outward appearance before you ever even open your mouth. It’s probably some atavistic gene that helped us survive, but that’s the way it is, and that’s the way it will likely always be. First impressions are so powerful, and difficult to change once they are set. I believe I read somewhere you have 3 minutes and someone has made their mind up on you. If that is indeed true (and it probably is), then your appearance and dress is critical.

2 Nik November 14, 2009 at 4:34 pm

Jeem, I will start with your post. I utterly disagree with you, which I’m sure comes as no surprise. I disagree for so many reasons that I think I will have a hard time making a coherent case, but here is what I have so far:

1) Freedom is good. There is no virtue in acting “correctly” only because there are unavoidable consequences for acting otherwise. This can lead to people being mistaken for being “good people” when they are merely fearful.

2) Pregnancy has historically disadvantaged women. First, people have always and will always have sex even when they face enormous consequences for it. In the past, this consequence has been borne almost entirely by women. A women in a conservative society becomes pregnant out of wedlock and becomes an outcast who must somehow try to raise a child from an already disadvantaged social situation. These women have no chance. However, the men who impregnate these women often face essentially no consequences, going on to have a family, a wife, and social acceptance on their own terms sometime in the future.

3) Birth control serves an intensely useful purpose within a committed, monogamous relationship. My wife and I may have children eventually, but certainly not for the next 7-10 years. Having children young often leads to substantially less income over time and more stress. There is no reason to think it is preferable for us to have a child when we are not prepared for it. That brings a child into a less stable, protective, nurturing environment. Instead, my wife and I have the historically unprecedented opportunity to reliably delay our procreation until we are financially and emotionally ready, while still maintaining our physical intimacy. I see no downside to that.

Like many things, birth control may allow for abuses, but that is a simple matter of values. Used correctly, birth control gives women unprecedented control over their financial and social situations and allows committed people to enjoy sex without being forced into young procreation and lives of debt and disadvantage.

I would be interested in your response to this. I mean, of course, condoms allow people to have sex with whoever they want . . . but people have always done this. The difference is that now men and women can live promiscuous lives without disproportionately harming only the female parties.

3 Nik November 14, 2009 at 4:57 pm

In closing, homosexuals and heterosexuals all need to spend more time together, until we all just feel comfortable. If one of my close friends were openly gay, I imagine the rest of that group of friends would feel much more certain in the knowledge that we were all just friends and weren’t worrying about being judged or judging each other.

It’s just silly that the subject is so divisive and such taboo. We are all too afraid of each other, and we need to let it go. Let’s man up.

4 Nik November 15, 2009 at 12:25 pm

Here’s a manly virtue that I don’t think was fully captured: Respect/empathy. Manners and rules and chivalry and courtship both gesture in that direction, but I don’t think they go quite far enough, which may be part of the problem. I feel that many men who actually display manners or chivalry today stop with that outward display. They think opening doors, giving women flowers, saying please and thank you, are sufficient respect for others, but they do not realize that these are just social conventions that are supposed to indicate a deeper care and respect for others. I have met plenty who believe in “spoiling” women with their “gentlemanly” acts but actually have no true respect for or understanding of women and are likely to use pejoratives like “bitch” when women are not around. It is part of the old problem of putting women on a pedestal.

5 Jeem November 15, 2009 at 5:58 pm

Nik,

I appreciate your thoughts and consideration of the issue. With such a controversial topic many folks just balk and resort to name-calling. I’ll try to respond according to the objections as I understand them.
1) It seems Abraham Lincoln had it right when he said that “freedom is not being able to do whatever you want, but having the ability to do what you ought.” The understanding of “freedom” as the absence of barriers to my acting according to whatever I feel like is problematic. Look where this is getting us today. Now some do rightly act out of fear: we call that obedience to civil law. You don’t speed because you fear getting a ticket. However, with the sexual act, it is not simply a matter of “acting correctly” because you fear getting pregnant. It calls one to respect the intrinsic dignity of the sexual act. I’m not so naive to think that people have not been engaging in extra-marital behavior since the institution of marriage first existed. However, this is the first time in history that promiscuity has been endorsed. We’re just not ready to realize the implications of that (ref. my earlier post) It becomes a sort of addiction. It is an unfortunate small number of people that can actually practice abstinence. It is difficult, mainly because the popular understanding of sex is that it is all about pleasure. From here, sex, rather the pleasure that comes with sex, becomes controlling like alcohol or tobacco, in the sense that one looses self-control and is not completely free to make the correct decisions or to act rightly.

2) Pregnancy is not the real issue. By saying a pregnancy disadvantages the woman, it puts bearing children on par with a physical handicap. I don’t think you are saying that. There really are two issues here, one being sex outside of a stable, permanent commitment (ie. marriage), the other being the use of contraception as a general practice. To address the first, if one lives their whole life with the attitude that its ok to have sex with people they are not married to, does that attitude magically change (especially subconsciously) when they finally do get married? I submit no, it does not. The other issue of contraception needs a good hard look. A lot of ink has been spilled on this, but I will summarize by saying that the two distinct goals of sex are 1) union of the spouses and 2) procreation (at least openness to the possibility). If a sexual act misses one of these, it is trivialized. At the risk of being vulgar, if one uses contraception, the couple is merely exchanging orgasms. It is just about pleasure. If you take away the openness to procreation and the natural union formed between man and woman in the act (like pieces of a puzzle, they were made for each other) by usage of a condom, what is the essential difference from this act and a homosexual relationship, or worse, bestiality? (I’m gonna get lots of letters on this…)

2) Having a child is often deemed a punishment when someone “isn’t planning on it.” Any mentally stable individual who was born from a woman would suggest otherwise (because mentally stable people don’t like being seen as “punishments.”) I am not denying that historically, pregnant, unmarried women have born the hardship. The issue here is more that when these minority cases happen, it should rather behoove the family and friends of the young woman to support her as best they can in this difficult situation, and not just say “oh, you should have been on the pill.” It is not just the so-called conservative society, but the individualistic society, that endorses the 1st definition of freedom listed above, one that sees having a child as putting a damper on my “freedom.” It takes a lot of maturity to see that marriage is not “game over” and that kids are not chains that tie you down. Our culture has Peter Pan-Syndrome; it just doesn’t want to grow up. That is why there are men who leave a women they have gotten pregnant, because they are not men, they are scared boys who can’t take responsibility for the lives they have changed. Because they did not respect the sexual act and the gift of life that comes from it. For these guys, it is all about pleasure.

3) Nik, brother, you are never going to be “ready” to have kids. It takes being a man more than having all the money you think you should have to raise a family. Kids don’t want money, they want you, your attention and your love. My parents were broke when I was a kid. (I’m 24,it wasn’t that long ago.) They worked hard so we could have what we needed and so they could spend time with us kids. (They worked to live, and didn’t live to work.) No one who ever knew them would dare call them irresponsible. Readiness is more a matter of having the character to be willing to sacrifice personal preferences for your family. That isn’t all you need, but it is a good start.

I hope that my approach does not come off as “condemning,” which is ironically the greatest condemnation thrown at people who take argue for these principles. When you hold the person to a higher standard, it is not condemning, but compassionate. You know the good everyone is capable of, and that is where you set the standard. If there are principles and morals surrounding the sexual act and how it effects the human person, and I believe there are, we are doing a disservice to our society if we try to fit the rules to what is actually a flaw an call “normal” something that ought to be the “exception.” If morals and values come from the family (they certainly don’t come from the government or the culture), and we have little by little undermined what it means to be a family, why are we stupefied at the outcome?

6 Justin Powers November 18, 2009 at 10:16 pm

Jeem,

I agree with your well thought out and articulated points. I would posit that society would be better off, and that men in general would show more respect to women if contraception was not an option. I also agree that contraception has contributed in a large way to the decline of marriage in our society.

In terms of full disclosure, I have been married for one and a half years, and my wife is currently on the pill. Although she has her fears about the ability to support a child (I don’t, I share the same outlook as you re: the fact that it is the character of the man, not the savings account that is required), the main reason is that she is finishing college, and it becomes tremendously difficult to finish school in the last months of pregnancy. We have not used contraceptives as an excuse to be promiscuous, as a matter of fact my wife is the only woman that I have been sexually intimate with, and then only after we were married (talk about the last of a dying breed). However, I would say that it is more of a convenience for us, and that if contraceptives were not an option, I wouldn’t miss it.

I sometimes wish for a society where people treated sex with more respect, however I fear that our society is sliding into a general acceptance of sex as recreation, and has passed the point of no return.

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