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> <channel><title>Comments on: So You Want My Job: College Professor</title> <atom:link href="http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/</link> <description>Men&#039;s Interests and Lifestyle</description> <lastBuildDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:31:41 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: MBA/PhD</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/#comment-97222</link> <dc:creator>MBA/PhD</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:01:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2579#comment-97222</guid> <description>Suckers! Got the MBA and PhD in business...set for life. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! Have fun studying English and Art and all that other hippie-shit.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suckers! Got the MBA and PhD in business&#8230;set for life. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! Have fun studying English and Art and all that other hippie-shit.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ryan</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/#comment-84878</link> <dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:46:38 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2579#comment-84878</guid> <description>I&#039;m currently an undergrad studying for a Bachelor&#039;s (History - Social Sciences Secondary Education).  I&#039;m intending to join a district and use professional development programs to earn a Master&#039;s in History on the public dime.  Teaching at university is where I want to end up.  However I&#039;ve been told that, if the goal is a tenured position at a university or college, that I should just go from undergrad studies straight through grad school and TA to gain experience.  Any suggestions, Hunter Baker?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently an undergrad studying for a Bachelor&#8217;s (History &#8211; Social Sciences Secondary Education).  I&#8217;m intending to join a district and use professional development programs to earn a Master&#8217;s in History on the public dime.  Teaching at university is where I want to end up.  However I&#8217;ve been told that, if the goal is a tenured position at a university or college, that I should just go from undergrad studies straight through grad school and TA to gain experience.  Any suggestions, Hunter Baker?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lugh</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/#comment-61184</link> <dc:creator>Lugh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:25:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2579#comment-61184</guid> <description>This is late, but... I&#039;m curious. Is Education considered to be a liberal art or a professional field? I&#039;m currently studying for a BS in Education, and while I obviously want to be a teacher, I&#039;m considering the idea of attempting to end up as either a school principal, or a professor of Education. If I want to be a principal, should I stop with a Master&#039;s? Will I be &quot;overqualified&quot; otherwise?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is late, but&#8230; I&#8217;m curious. Is Education considered to be a liberal art or a professional field? I&#8217;m currently studying for a BS in Education, and while I obviously want to be a teacher, I&#8217;m considering the idea of attempting to end up as either a school principal, or a professor of Education. If I want to be a principal, should I stop with a Master&#8217;s? Will I be &#8220;overqualified&#8221; otherwise?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Thinkerer</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/#comment-56319</link> <dc:creator>Thinkerer</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:17:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2579#comment-56319</guid> <description>I have a PhD in engineering and walked into a tenure-track job directly out of grad school (through sheer dumb luck and a lot of prep work), although I had industry and consulting experience between my MS and PhD.  I am now tenured at a research oriented institution and enjoy reading about the experiences of &quot;liberal arts&quot; graduates.If you&#039;re in an undersubscribed technical field, there will be more complications because you will be deciding between a relatively lucrative job in industry that gives you a lot of resources but little in the way of choice in what you work on or job security, and a university gig with a shot at tenure which guarantees nothing in terms of resources but complete discretion in what you do and how you do it, and allows you to do it essentially for life.Have no illusions though - whether you find the profession joyous or utterly frustrating (most of us find it both at times), you will be judged on &quot;output&quot;, and this usually comes down to cold, hard cash and numbers of publications.    If you don&#039;t have funding and lots of it, the publications won&#039;t be forthcoming so essentially you&#039;re a used car salesman being judged on your &quot;numbers&quot;.  Some schools such as MIT have a direct formulation for this - so many dollars per year per square foot of lab space.You are hired to filter money out of any institution you can find, give more than half of it to the university (we lose 57% off the top) and then spend the rest on students, equipment and publication costs.  If you&#039;re lucky, you may be able to pay for a few &quot;summer months&quot; of salary since you&#039;re on a 9-month appointment anyway but most of the time it gets eaten up in student salaries (student pay, plus their tuition costs and benefits which goes back to the university again).  A graduate student currently costs approximately $50,000+ per year in &quot;raw&quot; funding to keep in the lab at a dismal final salary (ca. 20K per year).Note that teaching hasn&#039;t been mentioned here, since it is a non-priority at research universities.  Nobody who brings in a lot of research funding has ever been denied tenure or otherwise penalized because they&#039;re a lousy teacher.  Bring in enough money and teach poorly and you&#039;ll find that you&#039;re simply not asked to teach.  Fortunately, for the most part, faculty take both their teaching and their responsibilities to students very seriously as a matter of professionalism - in my 20 years here I have never heard a sexist or racist comment about students, which I find remarkable and admirable.Why do it?  Because you&#039;re free to indulge your mind, free to take on any task you can make work and free to tell your boss &quot;no&quot; when it becomes necessary.  This last one is important because, unfortunately, university administrations hire the brightest people they can find and expect them to be selectively stupid about poor management methods and decisions, so the hard-won tenure that was originally awarded to avoid retribution for unpopular opinions or public criticism is often used for bureaucratic infighting.It&#039;s quite a ride, and requires both hard work and a good sense of balance so that your personal life doesn&#039;t disappear among the many demands, but I don&#039;t regret it for a moment.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a PhD in engineering and walked into a tenure-track job directly out of grad school (through sheer dumb luck and a lot of prep work), although I had industry and consulting experience between my MS and PhD.  I am now tenured at a research oriented institution and enjoy reading about the experiences of &#8220;liberal arts&#8221; graduates.</p><p>If you&#8217;re in an undersubscribed technical field, there will be more complications because you will be deciding between a relatively lucrative job in industry that gives you a lot of resources but little in the way of choice in what you work on or job security, and a university gig with a shot at tenure which guarantees nothing in terms of resources but complete discretion in what you do and how you do it, and allows you to do it essentially for life.</p><p>Have no illusions though &#8211; whether you find the profession joyous or utterly frustrating (most of us find it both at times), you will be judged on &#8220;output&#8221;, and this usually comes down to cold, hard cash and numbers of publications.    If you don&#8217;t have funding and lots of it, the publications won&#8217;t be forthcoming so essentially you&#8217;re a used car salesman being judged on your &#8220;numbers&#8221;.  Some schools such as MIT have a direct formulation for this &#8211; so many dollars per year per square foot of lab space.</p><p>You are hired to filter money out of any institution you can find, give more than half of it to the university (we lose 57% off the top) and then spend the rest on students, equipment and publication costs.  If you&#8217;re lucky, you may be able to pay for a few &#8220;summer months&#8221; of salary since you&#8217;re on a 9-month appointment anyway but most of the time it gets eaten up in student salaries (student pay, plus their tuition costs and benefits which goes back to the university again).  A graduate student currently costs approximately $50,000+ per year in &#8220;raw&#8221; funding to keep in the lab at a dismal final salary (ca. 20K per year).</p><p>Note that teaching hasn&#8217;t been mentioned here, since it is a non-priority at research universities.  Nobody who brings in a lot of research funding has ever been denied tenure or otherwise penalized because they&#8217;re a lousy teacher.  Bring in enough money and teach poorly and you&#8217;ll find that you&#8217;re simply not asked to teach.  Fortunately, for the most part, faculty take both their teaching and their responsibilities to students very seriously as a matter of professionalism &#8211; in my 20 years here I have never heard a sexist or racist comment about students, which I find remarkable and admirable.</p><p>Why do it?  Because you&#8217;re free to indulge your mind, free to take on any task you can make work and free to tell your boss &#8220;no&#8221; when it becomes necessary.  This last one is important because, unfortunately, university administrations hire the brightest people they can find and expect them to be selectively stupid about poor management methods and decisions, so the hard-won tenure that was originally awarded to avoid retribution for unpopular opinions or public criticism is often used for bureaucratic infighting.</p><p>It&#8217;s quite a ride, and requires both hard work and a good sense of balance so that your personal life doesn&#8217;t disappear among the many demands, but I don&#8217;t regret it for a moment.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ray</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/#comment-39775</link> <dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:05:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2579#comment-39775</guid> <description>I chose a slightly different approach that has certainly worked well for me... After completing my doctorate in Astronomy, I looked at the teaching prospects in colleges and universities and decided that the prospects were not pretty for a married man (with two young children) who didn&#039;t want to move every three years and who wanted to make more than minimum wage and needed benefits to boot. So I spent several busy months looking around and finally secured a sweet position teaching Astronomy and Physics _at the High School level_ in a posh suburb of one of our major American cities. Twenty-five years later, I make close to six figures, plus benefits, I have summers off, and teach the &quot;cream of the crop&quot; students in the school. The work has been very intellectually stimulating and has been a great choice for me. I will retire in 5 years (at 55!) will a great pension. High schools need smart teachers... those with a PhD should consider such work.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I chose a slightly different approach that has certainly worked well for me&#8230; After completing my doctorate in Astronomy, I looked at the teaching prospects in colleges and universities and decided that the prospects were not pretty for a married man (with two young children) who didn&#8217;t want to move every three years and who wanted to make more than minimum wage and needed benefits to boot. So I spent several busy months looking around and finally secured a sweet position teaching Astronomy and Physics _at the High School level_ in a posh suburb of one of our major American cities. Twenty-five years later, I make close to six figures, plus benefits, I have summers off, and teach the &#8220;cream of the crop&#8221; students in the school. The work has been very intellectually stimulating and has been a great choice for me. I will retire in 5 years (at 55!) will a great pension. High schools need smart teachers&#8230; those with a PhD should consider such work.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Christatos Aristad</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/#comment-38192</link> <dc:creator>Christatos Aristad</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 19:55:41 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2579#comment-38192</guid> <description>This article is of particular interest to me because if I had not become a gambler, I probably would have pursued a doctorate in statistics or higher math and tried to teach in a collegiate setting. It&#039;s interesting to see what might have been.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is of particular interest to me because if I had not become a gambler, I probably would have pursued a doctorate in statistics or higher math and tried to teach in a collegiate setting. It&#8217;s interesting to see what might have been.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Wesley</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/#comment-36819</link> <dc:creator>Wesley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 20:45:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2579#comment-36819</guid> <description>I&#039;m glad I came across this interview. I&#039;ve been in a personal battle over where to direct my focus after my undergrad degree. I love to learn and share – especially on the subjects of faith, and politics – so the prospect of engaging young minds sounds wonderful. Law school seems to be the channel through which many of the big players in the Great Debate arrive, though I have no interest whatsoever in being a lawyer, so I&#039;m trying to figure that one out.I am 27 and married, so the next hurdle is trying to provide a stable family environment while advancing my academic career. Perhaps a Ph.D. will have to wait until my future children are out of the house!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad I came across this interview. I&#8217;ve been in a personal battle over where to direct my focus after my undergrad degree. I love to learn and share – especially on the subjects of faith, and politics – so the prospect of engaging young minds sounds wonderful. Law school seems to be the channel through which many of the big players in the Great Debate arrive, though I have no interest whatsoever in being a lawyer, so I&#8217;m trying to figure that one out.</p><p>I am 27 and married, so the next hurdle is trying to provide a stable family environment while advancing my academic career. Perhaps a Ph.D. will have to wait until my future children are out of the house!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Will</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/#comment-35711</link> <dc:creator>Will</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:44:36 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2579#comment-35711</guid> <description>CEOmum, when your boy goes to college, he&#039;ll be exploring careers *by* exploring majors.  He might also take a career development class.  When he finds what he loves, unless it&#039;s in the arts maybe, he should be able to find a financially stables career that touches on it.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CEOmum, when your boy goes to college, he&#8217;ll be exploring careers *by* exploring majors.  He might also take a career development class.  When he finds what he loves, unless it&#8217;s in the arts maybe, he should be able to find a financially stables career that touches on it.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hunter Baker</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/#comment-35644</link> <dc:creator>Hunter Baker</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:22:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2579#comment-35644</guid> <description>CEOmum, the great books are a fantastic foundation for further learning.  They develop powerful habits of mind.  A person who works on the great books will go on to find professional programs relatively easy.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CEOmum, the great books are a fantastic foundation for further learning.  They develop powerful habits of mind.  A person who works on the great books will go on to find professional programs relatively easy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: CEOmum</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/#comment-35634</link> <dc:creator>CEOmum</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:14:05 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2579#comment-35634</guid> <description>I wiIl go and look at those programs. In the fall he&#039;ll be heading to Princeton. He will take his time before deciding on a major.It is so funny that you mentioned that however because his favourite class in his senior year was Hons. European History - Great books.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wiIl go and look at those programs. In the fall he&#8217;ll be heading to Princeton. He will take his time before deciding on a major.</p><p>It is so funny that you mentioned that however because his favourite class in his senior year was Hons. European History &#8211; Great books.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hunter Baker</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/#comment-35619</link> <dc:creator>Hunter Baker</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 16:38:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2579#comment-35619</guid> <description>CEOmum,If I had it to do all over again and knew that I would likely pursue some form of graduate education (MBA, law, etc.), I would spend my undergraduate years on a great books style program such as they have at St. John&#039;s, University of Dallas, or a few other schools.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CEOmum,</p><p>If I had it to do all over again and knew that I would likely pursue some form of graduate education (MBA, law, etc.), I would spend my undergraduate years on a great books style program such as they have at St. John&#8217;s, University of Dallas, or a few other schools.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: CEOmum</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/#comment-35576</link> <dc:creator>CEOmum</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:00:40 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2579#comment-35576</guid> <description>I found this article and the ensuing discussion quite informative.My son is heading out to freshman year in college this fall. He is not sure what he wants to do but college professor has been bandied about, so has law, anthropologist etc.The comments from and about those in the business/technical fields vs humanities are rather enlightening.How does one advise a youngster who doesn&#039;t have much of a clue of what he wants to do but worries about job prospects and financial stability?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this article and the ensuing discussion quite informative.</p><p>My son is heading out to freshman year in college this fall. He is not sure what he wants to do but college professor has been bandied about, so has law, anthropologist etc.</p><p>The comments from and about those in the business/technical fields vs humanities are rather enlightening.</p><p>How does one advise a youngster who doesn&#8217;t have much of a clue of what he wants to do but worries about job prospects and financial stability?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hunter Baker</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/#comment-35569</link> <dc:creator>Hunter Baker</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 03:36:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2579#comment-35569</guid> <description>TM doesn&#039;t know anything about my institution.  I&#039;m more than happy (man-style since this is the AoM website) to invite him to provide me with evidence of his charges.  That&#039;s hbaker@hbu.edu, buddy.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TM doesn&#8217;t know anything about my institution.  I&#8217;m more than happy (man-style since this is the AoM website) to invite him to provide me with evidence of his charges.  That&#8217;s <a
href="mailto:hbaker@hbu.edu">hbaker@hbu.edu</a>, buddy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Santa</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/#comment-35429</link> <dc:creator>Santa</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:58:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2579#comment-35429</guid> <description>I was an adjunct professor for a few years once. Loved it. When you prepare and teach well you get respect from your students and faculty, and it feels great. Also because I taught in computers it was nice to get software/hardware to play with at the university&#039;s expense. I just wish it would have paid more, as now I am behind a desk in the corporate world... but I still daydream of those days when I could get into intellectual conversations with students that cared.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was an adjunct professor for a few years once. Loved it. When you prepare and teach well you get respect from your students and faculty, and it feels great. Also because I taught in computers it was nice to get software/hardware to play with at the university&#8217;s expense. I just wish it would have paid more, as now I am behind a desk in the corporate world&#8230; but I still daydream of those days when I could get into intellectual conversations with students that cared.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Brett</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/07/08/so-you-want-my-job-college-professor/#comment-35423</link> <dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:41:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2579#comment-35423</guid> <description>@TM-We do not &quot;choose&quot; who to interview really. They choose us. People who want to take part in the series contact us and volunteer themselves. I thought the job of professor was a good one to cover. There&#039;s absolutely no religious bias on AoM. If an atheist professor from an Ivy League school who studied evolution would have contacted us first, I would have been just as happy to interview him.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TM-</p><p>We do not &#8220;choose&#8221; who to interview really. They choose us. People who want to take part in the series contact us and volunteer themselves. I thought the job of professor was a good one to cover. There&#8217;s absolutely no religious bias on AoM. If an atheist professor from an Ivy League school who studied evolution would have contacted us first, I would have been just as happy to interview him.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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