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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 00:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made something similar in my basement.  They are NOT coming out.  Just a two shelf unit to keep suitcases, Christmas and other holiday decorations, etc off the floor.

I used 9 8&#039; long 2x4&#039;s  and two 4x8 pieces of 1/2&quot; plywood.

Framed up a rectangle of 2x4&#039;s to frame under the sheets of plywood and cut an additional piece for the center. 

I saved the longer halves of the 2x4&#039;s cut for the frames to make the vertical supports.  What I had left determined the height of the top shelf.  I mounted the bottom about 1&#039; off the ground.

I&#039;ve found I didn&#039;t need diagonal bracing, but then again, my shelves are only about 51&quot; tall and the 2x4 frame under the shelves provide a pretty rigid structure.

It&#039;s strong enough I can get up on them, and I&#039;m about 240#.

I can build two of these for the same price as some pre-made units. 

I could make the movable by using different hardware to assemble them.  The wood screws installed with the drill could be replaced with lag bolts, nuts and washers to make this something that could be disassembled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made something similar in my basement.  They are NOT coming out.  Just a two shelf unit to keep suitcases, Christmas and other holiday decorations, etc off the floor.</p>
<p>I used 9 8&#8242; long 2&#215;4&#8242;s  and two 4&#215;8 pieces of 1/2&#8243; plywood.</p>
<p>Framed up a rectangle of 2&#215;4&#8242;s to frame under the sheets of plywood and cut an additional piece for the center. </p>
<p>I saved the longer halves of the 2&#215;4&#8242;s cut for the frames to make the vertical supports.  What I had left determined the height of the top shelf.  I mounted the bottom about 1&#8242; off the ground.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found I didn&#8217;t need diagonal bracing, but then again, my shelves are only about 51&#8243; tall and the 2&#215;4 frame under the shelves provide a pretty rigid structure.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s strong enough I can get up on them, and I&#8217;m about 240#.</p>
<p>I can build two of these for the same price as some pre-made units. </p>
<p>I could make the movable by using different hardware to assemble them.  The wood screws installed with the drill could be replaced with lag bolts, nuts and washers to make this something that could be disassembled.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To increase stability, decrease time and labor, and limit costs, I did the following:

-buy some #8 wood screws in 3&quot; and 1 1/4&quot; lengths
-buy 2, 4x8 plywood sheets (5/8&quot; works well and is most cost-effective for price vs. sturdiness) cut lenghtwise into thirds (each approx 16&quot; wide) (to save time and ease transport I always had the hardware store cut these for me)
-buy 10, 8&#039; 2x3&#039;s, and cut 16&quot; off the top of 8, and cut the last 2 into 16&quot; lengths
-using 2 of the long 2x3&#039;s, make a ladder-shaped box structure by fitting 5 of the 16&quot; 2x3 cut-offs in between them like ladder rungs (make sure the top and bottom &quot;rungs&quot; are fastened at the very top and bottom ends of the 2 long 2x3&#039;s) (make 4 &quot;ladder&quot; box structures in total) (the &quot;rungs&quot; determine shelf heights, so use less rungs if you want more space in between shelves, and ensure the rungs are all the same height as each corresponding rung in each &quot;ladder&quot; box) (fasten using 2 of the 3&quot; screws for each side of each rung, screwing through the side of the upright 2x3&#039;s into the ends of the horizontal 16&quot; pieces between them)
-now the shelf is ready to be put up - and it is very easy for 1 person, but even easier with 2 - stand the 4 &quot;ladder&quot; boxes up together and slide a plywood strip between them at the bottom and then the third level up - spread the &quot;ladder&quot; boxes apart until there are 2 at each end of the plywood strips, and 2 evenly spaced in the middle
-fasten the plywood down to each rung with the 1 1/4&quot; screws (2 for each rung)
-slide the other plywood sheets into place on the other shelf levels, and one at the very top (you will have 1 16&quot; wide plywood sheet leftover (in total I made 3 of these, so this leftover was not wasted) and fasten down just like the others

These have always been sturdy, and have never tilted sideways.  It takes 5-10 minutes to put them up and take them down once the &quot;ladder&quot; boxes are made (in the military I move a lot, so I wanted shelves that could survive multiple set-ups and take-downs).  In total, for 1 shelf, the project costs (in Canada):

-plywood and 2x3&#039;s = $40
-screws = $10</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To increase stability, decrease time and labor, and limit costs, I did the following:</p>
<p>-buy some #8 wood screws in 3&#8243; and 1 1/4&#8243; lengths<br />
-buy 2, 4&#215;8 plywood sheets (5/8&#8243; works well and is most cost-effective for price vs. sturdiness) cut lenghtwise into thirds (each approx 16&#8243; wide) (to save time and ease transport I always had the hardware store cut these for me)<br />
-buy 10, 8&#8242; 2&#215;3&#8242;s, and cut 16&#8243; off the top of 8, and cut the last 2 into 16&#8243; lengths<br />
-using 2 of the long 2&#215;3&#8242;s, make a ladder-shaped box structure by fitting 5 of the 16&#8243; 2&#215;3 cut-offs in between them like ladder rungs (make sure the top and bottom &#8220;rungs&#8221; are fastened at the very top and bottom ends of the 2 long 2&#215;3&#8242;s) (make 4 &#8220;ladder&#8221; box structures in total) (the &#8220;rungs&#8221; determine shelf heights, so use less rungs if you want more space in between shelves, and ensure the rungs are all the same height as each corresponding rung in each &#8220;ladder&#8221; box) (fasten using 2 of the 3&#8243; screws for each side of each rung, screwing through the side of the upright 2&#215;3&#8242;s into the ends of the horizontal 16&#8243; pieces between them)<br />
-now the shelf is ready to be put up &#8211; and it is very easy for 1 person, but even easier with 2 &#8211; stand the 4 &#8220;ladder&#8221; boxes up together and slide a plywood strip between them at the bottom and then the third level up &#8211; spread the &#8220;ladder&#8221; boxes apart until there are 2 at each end of the plywood strips, and 2 evenly spaced in the middle<br />
-fasten the plywood down to each rung with the 1 1/4&#8243; screws (2 for each rung)<br />
-slide the other plywood sheets into place on the other shelf levels, and one at the very top (you will have 1 16&#8243; wide plywood sheet leftover (in total I made 3 of these, so this leftover was not wasted) and fasten down just like the others</p>
<p>These have always been sturdy, and have never tilted sideways.  It takes 5-10 minutes to put them up and take them down once the &#8220;ladder&#8221; boxes are made (in the military I move a lot, so I wanted shelves that could survive multiple set-ups and take-downs).  In total, for 1 shelf, the project costs (in Canada):</p>
<p>-plywood and 2&#215;3&#8242;s = $40<br />
-screws = $10</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should have included my costs.  I paid about $70 total, including a tool (the chalk line).  I had a few 1x2&#039;s already, and didn&#039;t need to buy the screws; this wouldn&#039;t have been much anyway.  The biggest expense was the plywood; it ran me about $40.  I got my materials at Lowe&#039;s; YMMV.

I already have something like a Gorilla rack; I like it, but it doesn&#039;t hold nearly as much and it&#039;s not nearly as stable.  (Bolting it to the wall would fix the stability, but would be difficult in my basement, which has cinder-block walls.)  Pricing Gorilla racks at Amazon, I found that $70 would get me five 30x12 shelves, rather than the five 96x24 shelves I have.  Not the best deal!  Or there&#039;s the 72x24, three shelves, for $190...not for me either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have included my costs.  I paid about $70 total, including a tool (the chalk line).  I had a few 1&#215;2&#8242;s already, and didn&#8217;t need to buy the screws; this wouldn&#8217;t have been much anyway.  The biggest expense was the plywood; it ran me about $40.  I got my materials at Lowe&#8217;s; YMMV.</p>
<p>I already have something like a Gorilla rack; I like it, but it doesn&#8217;t hold nearly as much and it&#8217;s not nearly as stable.  (Bolting it to the wall would fix the stability, but would be difficult in my basement, which has cinder-block walls.)  Pricing Gorilla racks at Amazon, I found that $70 would get me five 30&#215;12 shelves, rather than the five 96&#215;24 shelves I have.  Not the best deal!  Or there&#8217;s the 72&#215;24, three shelves, for $190&#8230;not for me either.</p>
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		<title>By: lady brett</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/06/30/how-to-build-sturdy-basement-shelves/comment-page-1/#comment-34832</link>
		<dc:creator>lady brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but, norm, maybe this &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; spending more time with your family. take your son and daughter to the shed, shop or basement to help you fashion your own shelves - it&#039;ll be higher quality family time than an outing to buy more stuff.

of course, i&#039;m biased; i practically grew up in my dad&#039;s shop. wouldn&#039;t give that up for the world. and now i can do my own repairs at home - it&#039;s win-win.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but, norm, maybe this <i>is</i> spending more time with your family. take your son and daughter to the shed, shop or basement to help you fashion your own shelves &#8211; it&#8217;ll be higher quality family time than an outing to buy more stuff.</p>
<p>of course, i&#8217;m biased; i practically grew up in my dad&#8217;s shop. wouldn&#8217;t give that up for the world. and now i can do my own repairs at home &#8211; it&#8217;s win-win.</p>
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		<title>By: norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why bother?
Just go to IKEA make an inexpensive purchase and spend more time with your family.

www.bignmorn.net</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why bother?<br />
Just go to IKEA make an inexpensive purchase and spend more time with your family.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bignmorn.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.bignmorn.net</a></p>
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