Comments on: Boxing: A Manly History of the Sweet Science of Bruising http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/ Men's Interests and Lifestyle Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:21:39 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Billy http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/comment-page-1/#comment-59230 Billy Thu, 12 Nov 2009 06:39:49 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=3176#comment-59230 It is a shame that you don't get more gentlemen in boxing, all the taunting has given the sport a bad reputation. I'm really glad to see the likes of Danny Green and Roy Jones Jr respecting each other in their lead up to their fight. I started boxing 3 years ago and it isn't just about pummelling the other guy. You show respect in sparring, you appreciate the punch that came from nowhere, and you don't think about how much you hate the other person, you think about what you could have done better and what moves the other fighter used on you that you can use next time. I just don't think people are giving boxing a fair go, instantly, people have this cemented in their mind that there can not possibly be anything more than punching. The sport also taints its own reputation in many aspects too. It is a shame that you don’t get more gentlemen in boxing, all the taunting has given the sport a bad reputation. I’m really glad to see the likes of Danny Green and Roy Jones Jr respecting each other in their lead up to their fight.
I started boxing 3 years ago and it isn’t just about pummelling the other guy. You show respect in sparring, you appreciate the punch that came from nowhere, and you don’t think about how much you hate the other person, you think about what you could have done better and what moves the other fighter used on you that you can use next time.
I just don’t think people are giving boxing a fair go, instantly, people have this cemented in their mind that there can not possibly be anything more than punching.
The sport also taints its own reputation in many aspects too.

]]> By: Andy http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/comment-page-1/#comment-44287 Andy Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:07:10 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=3176#comment-44287 Violence for the sake of violence isn't manly. Violence for the sake of violence isn’t manly.

]]> By: Boxning – en manlig historia om blåmärken « Osvenska Dagbladet http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/comment-page-1/#comment-43164 Boxning – en manlig historia om blåmärken « Osvenska Dagbladet Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:54:54 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=3176#comment-43164 [...] http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/ [...] [...] http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/ [...]

]]> By: The Hemingway You Didn’t Know: Papa’s Adventures | The Art of Manliness http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/comment-page-1/#comment-41334 The Hemingway You Didn’t Know: Papa’s Adventures | The Art of Manliness Wed, 12 Aug 2009 01:31:03 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=3176#comment-41334 [...] had practiced the sweet science since childhood and at one point was a successful amateur boxer.  Following one of his victories [...] [...] had practiced the sweet science since childhood and at one point was a successful amateur boxer.  Following one of his victories [...]

]]> By: Patrick http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/comment-page-1/#comment-32905 Patrick Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:01:56 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=3176#comment-32905 Well researched and brilliantly put together. Two thumbs up! Well researched and brilliantly put together. Two thumbs up!

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]]> By: Boxing: A Manly History of the Sweet Science of Bruising < It’s all about the trends http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/comment-page-1/#comment-31409 Boxing: A Manly History of the Sweet Science of Bruising < It’s all about the trends Thu, 04 Jun 2009 04:24:22 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=3176#comment-31409 [...] no playing field or special equipment; the rules are few and easy to understand. There is but two m click for more var gaJsHost = (("https:" == document.location.protocol) ? "https://ssl." : [...] [...] no playing field or special equipment; the rules are few and easy to understand. There is but two m click for more var gaJsHost = ((”https:” == document.location.protocol) ? “https://ssl.” : [...]

]]> By: Trent http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/comment-page-1/#comment-31097 Trent Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:26:00 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=3176#comment-31097 Incidentally, I am far from the only one who feels this way about Clay/Ali: "He was the first professional athlete to abandon the tradition of good sportsmanship, substituting for it the massive egomania, self-aborption, and self-dramatization that is found in so many athletes today..." from http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/004632.html Incidentally, I am far from the only one who feels this way about Clay/Ali:

“He was the first professional athlete to abandon the tradition of good sportsmanship, substituting for it the massive egomania, self-aborption, and self-dramatization that is found in so many athletes today…”

from
http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/004632.html

]]> By: Trent http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/comment-page-1/#comment-31089 Trent Wed, 03 Jun 2009 06:05:28 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=3176#comment-31089 Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali was an outstanding boxer, true. However, he, more than any other person, is responsible for the death of sportsmanship and the "good winner." His grandiose self-promotion and shameless denigration of those he beat in the ring did irreparable harm to the sporting ideals that were once promoted as the mark of a civilized gentleman. (When's the last time you heard "it's not whether you win or lose; it's how you play the game"? That ideal is dead.) Furthermore, Clay/Ali is a vociferously anti-American moral sewer, as detailed by Daniel Pipes: http://www.danielpipes.org/3153/muhammad-ali-v-george-w-bush He's a reprehensible person who should be no one's hero. Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali was an outstanding boxer, true. However, he, more than any other person, is responsible for the death of sportsmanship and the “good winner.” His grandiose self-promotion and shameless denigration of those he beat in the ring did irreparable harm to the sporting ideals that were once promoted as the mark of a civilized gentleman. (When’s the last time you heard “it’s not whether you win or lose; it’s how you play the game”? That ideal is dead.)

Furthermore, Clay/Ali is a vociferously anti-American moral sewer, as detailed by Daniel Pipes:
http://www.danielpipes.org/3153/muhammad-ali-v-george-w-bush

He’s a reprehensible person who should be no one’s hero.

]]> By: Jesse http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/comment-page-1/#comment-30951 Jesse Tue, 02 Jun 2009 20:29:17 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=3176#comment-30951 Having both boxed and trained MMA for five years I think that Dave is right in that MMA is the mutt and boxing is the purebred. To be good at boxing you have to be GOOD at BOXING. To be a good MMArtist you have to be proficient at many things. That is a completely different level of focus. While training MMA it was my superior boxing skills that ended up finishing many sparring sessions for me, particularly after fighters got tired and sloppy. I suppose the same might be said for any single technique which is studied extensively, that the precision kicks in after exhaustion takes it's toll. But I never experienced the same level of attention to detail, finesse, and strategy in MMA as I did while boxing. Having both boxed and trained MMA for five years I think that Dave is right in that MMA is the mutt and boxing is the purebred. To be good at boxing you have to be GOOD at BOXING. To be a good MMArtist you have to be proficient at many things. That is a completely different level of focus. While training MMA it was my superior boxing skills that ended up finishing many sparring sessions for me, particularly after fighters got tired and sloppy. I suppose the same might be said for any single technique which is studied extensively, that the precision kicks in after exhaustion takes it’s toll. But I never experienced the same level of attention to detail, finesse, and strategy in MMA as I did while boxing.

]]> By: Brett http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/comment-page-1/#comment-30379 Brett Sun, 31 May 2009 22:11:58 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=3176#comment-30379 @Chris- I was referring to T.S. Eliot, who is really more of a poet than an author, but I just grouped him in there for the sake of sentence smoothness. @Chris-

I was referring to T.S. Eliot, who is really more of a poet than an author, but I just grouped him in there for the sake of sentence smoothness.

]]> By: Chris http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/comment-page-1/#comment-30375 Chris Sun, 31 May 2009 21:41:56 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=3176#comment-30375 "... (the list of authors who have been drawn to writing about boxing but who also boxed themselves is legion: Hemingway, London, Eliot, and Doyle to name a few)." By Eliot, I hope you don't mean George Eliot, which was the pen name of a woman who felt she would probably not be taken seriously as a writer under her real name. Surely you're referring to some other Eliot, right? Loved the article anyway, and thanking you for it. “… (the list of authors who have been drawn to writing about boxing but who also boxed themselves is legion: Hemingway, London, Eliot, and Doyle to name a few).”

By Eliot, I hope you don’t mean George Eliot, which was the pen name of a woman who felt she would probably not be taken seriously as a writer under her real name. Surely you’re referring to some other Eliot, right?

Loved the article anyway, and thanking you for it.

]]> By: Dave http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/comment-page-1/#comment-30307 Dave Sun, 31 May 2009 16:00:40 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=3176#comment-30307 Dan- Measuring how you stack up against a boxer is not a fair comparison. You're comparing two different fighting styles. Of course a MMA fighter is going to do better if he's been trained in many different styles, while the other person has only be trained to use his fists. But that doesn't mean that boxing is simple or dumb. I've boxed for several year and I can tell you that it requires great artistry, intelligence, strategy, and technique. Of course MMA is interesting because it combines different disciplines, but to me it's not an art the way boxing or any of the other martial arts are. It's everything and the kitchen sink. There's no purity in the thing there way there is in just boxing or just jujitsu, where a fighter works on completely mastering his art. Boxing is a pure breed while MMA is a mutt. Dan-
Measuring how you stack up against a boxer is not a fair comparison. You’re comparing two different fighting styles. Of course a MMA fighter is going to do better if he’s been trained in many different styles, while the other person has only be trained to use his fists. But that doesn’t mean that boxing is simple or dumb. I’ve boxed for several year and I can tell you that it requires great artistry, intelligence, strategy, and technique. Of course MMA is interesting because it combines different disciplines, but to me it’s not an art the way boxing or any of the other martial arts are. It’s everything and the kitchen sink. There’s no purity in the thing there way there is in just boxing or just jujitsu, where a fighter works on completely mastering his art. Boxing is a pure breed while MMA is a mutt.

]]> By: Dan http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/comment-page-1/#comment-30274 Dan Sun, 31 May 2009 12:44:27 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=3176#comment-30274 There is a good reason boxing is not very popular today.... it's really dumb. Despite the changes brought about Mendoza, boxing is just two guys standing toe-to-toe and slugging it out. That is pretty much the most unintelligent way to fight someone. MMA is far better. I have fought boxers as a martial artist and they are so easy to fight. They will stay in one place and just use their fists--leaving me free to dance all around them, kicking and hitting them to victory. Seriously, boxing is a troglodytic remnant of ancient times. There is a good reason boxing is not very popular today…. it’s really dumb. Despite the changes brought about Mendoza, boxing is just two guys standing toe-to-toe and slugging it out. That is pretty much the most unintelligent way to fight someone. MMA is far better. I have fought boxers as a martial artist and they are so easy to fight. They will stay in one place and just use their fists–leaving me free to dance all around them, kicking and hitting them to victory.

Seriously, boxing is a troglodytic remnant of ancient times.

]]> By: Thadeus http://artofmanliness.com/2009/05/30/boxing-a-manly-history-of-the-sweet-science-of-bruising/comment-page-1/#comment-30247 Thadeus Sun, 31 May 2009 10:24:48 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=3176#comment-30247 This is great. Any chance we could get one of these for fencing? This is great. Any chance we could get one of these for fencing?

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