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	<title>Comments on: Ask Wayne: Man Apologizes to Wife In Text Message; Wife Responds With Snark</title>
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		<title>By: ashley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, so i found this accidentally, but decided to read on anyway, i read the first few and got quite fed up, seriously, people are talking about intelligence etc, well bloody use some and rather spending all the time venting on here with total strangers, go and tell her how you feel, then listen to her views, if you cant agree, and something so simple is causing such a row between you, maybe the work isnt the problem, maybe its the two of you, maybe she&#039;s just workin for some space, trust me, as a girl whose own b/f can sometimes be a bit clingy, a girl just needs some space, as do guys im sure.
so not to depress you, but basically, get a grip, stop arguin over somethin so stupid, or say see you later!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, so i found this accidentally, but decided to read on anyway, i read the first few and got quite fed up, seriously, people are talking about intelligence etc, well bloody use some and rather spending all the time venting on here with total strangers, go and tell her how you feel, then listen to her views, if you cant agree, and something so simple is causing such a row between you, maybe the work isnt the problem, maybe its the two of you, maybe she&#8217;s just workin for some space, trust me, as a girl whose own b/f can sometimes be a bit clingy, a girl just needs some space, as do guys im sure.<br />
so not to depress you, but basically, get a grip, stop arguin over somethin so stupid, or say see you later!</p>
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		<title>By: Oak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 20:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@MAJ
&quot;Because women get their feelings hurt when you disagree with them or tell them the truth, even when done as kindly and tactfully as possible. Since their feelings are hurt, they expect an apology, although nothing was handled wrong. Even when _they_ are wrong, rude, inconsiderate, and screaming obscenities at you, it is you that must apologize for bringing the subject up. In my experience, no women has ever taken the first step to apologize to me for the things they said or regarding how they handled an issue. They feel justified in their actions. Something is terribly wrong in our culture today that has convinced society that they need to continually suck up to women because of their feelings. The truth and logical decision-making is being shunned in the interests of women’s feelings.&quot;


First of all, MAJ, this is a generalization. It is unfortunate if you have never had a woman apologize to you in your life, for I&#039;m sure plenty have done you wrong, but that does not mean it is true for every woman. I can say this with 100% surety because, as a woman, I apologize fairly frequently - sometimes I am first, sometimes I am the only one apologizing, and other times it is the other way around. But I do apologize, because, as a human, I screw up rather frequently.

Anyhow, the core issue I would like to address is the validity of &quot;reason&quot; vs. &quot;feelings.&quot; While it is true that men tend to operate along more linear and idea-based thought patterns, this should not invalidate emotion-based and relationship-based thinking, which women tend to focus more on. In other words, to the man, it might seem like there is a problem that can be fixed; to the woman, it may seem like the conflict within the relationship arising from the problem is more important than the problem, because the problem is likely short-term, while our relationship will hopefully outlast that. 

So when a woman wants to talk about &quot;feelings&quot;, it&#039;s not necessarily that she is being wishy-washy or attacking you. It may be that she is simply thinking on a different plane - an interpersonal instead of analytical one. And while there is certainly interplay and overlap between these two, I think the real problem in our culture, as suggested by many feminists - not misandrists - may be assuming that interpersonal factors are always inferior to analytics.

As for texting - I LOVE texting, but it&#039;s true that it&#039;s really easy to misread texts, especially for women who rely more on nonverbal cues than men. It was wrong of the wife to snark at the writer-inner regardless of the situation, but maybe she did feel snarked at too. I&#039;m for face-to-face communication in anything that is too complex to say in 160 characters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MAJ<br />
&#8220;Because women get their feelings hurt when you disagree with them or tell them the truth, even when done as kindly and tactfully as possible. Since their feelings are hurt, they expect an apology, although nothing was handled wrong. Even when _they_ are wrong, rude, inconsiderate, and screaming obscenities at you, it is you that must apologize for bringing the subject up. In my experience, no women has ever taken the first step to apologize to me for the things they said or regarding how they handled an issue. They feel justified in their actions. Something is terribly wrong in our culture today that has convinced society that they need to continually suck up to women because of their feelings. The truth and logical decision-making is being shunned in the interests of women’s feelings.&#8221;</p>
<p>First of all, MAJ, this is a generalization. It is unfortunate if you have never had a woman apologize to you in your life, for I&#8217;m sure plenty have done you wrong, but that does not mean it is true for every woman. I can say this with 100% surety because, as a woman, I apologize fairly frequently &#8211; sometimes I am first, sometimes I am the only one apologizing, and other times it is the other way around. But I do apologize, because, as a human, I screw up rather frequently.</p>
<p>Anyhow, the core issue I would like to address is the validity of &#8220;reason&#8221; vs. &#8220;feelings.&#8221; While it is true that men tend to operate along more linear and idea-based thought patterns, this should not invalidate emotion-based and relationship-based thinking, which women tend to focus more on. In other words, to the man, it might seem like there is a problem that can be fixed; to the woman, it may seem like the conflict within the relationship arising from the problem is more important than the problem, because the problem is likely short-term, while our relationship will hopefully outlast that. </p>
<p>So when a woman wants to talk about &#8220;feelings&#8221;, it&#8217;s not necessarily that she is being wishy-washy or attacking you. It may be that she is simply thinking on a different plane &#8211; an interpersonal instead of analytical one. And while there is certainly interplay and overlap between these two, I think the real problem in our culture, as suggested by many feminists &#8211; not misandrists &#8211; may be assuming that interpersonal factors are always inferior to analytics.</p>
<p>As for texting &#8211; I LOVE texting, but it&#8217;s true that it&#8217;s really easy to misread texts, especially for women who rely more on nonverbal cues than men. It was wrong of the wife to snark at the writer-inner regardless of the situation, but maybe she did feel snarked at too. I&#8217;m for face-to-face communication in anything that is too complex to say in 160 characters.</p>
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		<title>By: BonzoGal</title>
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		<dc:creator>BonzoGal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 22:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard-  Amen!  The misogyny in this comment thread is off-putting.  Some of you seem to be reading a lot into a fairly simple question and answer.  This isn&#039;t about why his wife is working &quot;too much,&quot; or why he feels he needs to apologize, or what&#039;s wrong with women, or why you feel like feminism has messed with your world.  It&#039;s about a simple mis-use of a communication medium.  GENTLEMEN DO NOT TEXT MESSAGE ANYTHING IMPORTANT.  Nor do women, professionals, adults, mature persons of either/both genders, etc.  Would you send a request for a job via text?  &quot;HIRE ME 4 THIS JOB SRSLY I RULE&quot;  

Texting fun chatter is fine; texting anything of substance says, &quot;I don&#039;t give a serious crap about what I&#039;m saying to you.&quot;  There are definitely some messages for which some media are not correct.  I wouldn&#039;t submit a report to my boss on Transformers stationery, and I wouldn&#039;t apologize to a loved one via text.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard-  Amen!  The misogyny in this comment thread is off-putting.  Some of you seem to be reading a lot into a fairly simple question and answer.  This isn&#8217;t about why his wife is working &#8220;too much,&#8221; or why he feels he needs to apologize, or what&#8217;s wrong with women, or why you feel like feminism has messed with your world.  It&#8217;s about a simple mis-use of a communication medium.  GENTLEMEN DO NOT TEXT MESSAGE ANYTHING IMPORTANT.  Nor do women, professionals, adults, mature persons of either/both genders, etc.  Would you send a request for a job via text?  &#8220;HIRE ME 4 THIS JOB SRSLY I RULE&#8221;  </p>
<p>Texting fun chatter is fine; texting anything of substance says, &#8220;I don&#8217;t give a serious crap about what I&#8217;m saying to you.&#8221;  There are definitely some messages for which some media are not correct.  I wouldn&#8217;t submit a report to my boss on Transformers stationery, and I wouldn&#8217;t apologize to a loved one via text.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really appreciate and enjoy a lot of the stuff on this website; as a bartender, the article on how to order drinks made me very happy. However, I&#039;m getting a little freaked out by some of the blatant and bitter misogyny in the comments threads. Not that I&#039;m trying to tell you how to run your website, but I think perhaps an article discussing that might be in order some time.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciate and enjoy a lot of the stuff on this website; as a bartender, the article on how to order drinks made me very happy. However, I&#8217;m getting a little freaked out by some of the blatant and bitter misogyny in the comments threads. Not that I&#8217;m trying to tell you how to run your website, but I think perhaps an article discussing that might be in order some time.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 00:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting set of responses. You can tell that everyone responding is over 20 years old and most do not understand &quot;texting&quot;.

Texting is a form of communication for young people. If you are older then it is probably not appropriate simply because you aren&#039;t any good at it (not just talking about thumbing but expression). You need &quot;old school&quot;.

The world is changing and I assure you this conversation won&#039;t even be going on 20 years from now.

My son is carrying on a dating relation right now with a girl in another state almost exclusively by text. How many carried on their dating relationship by phone and had their parents say &quot;what do you talk about?&quot;. They didn&#039;t understand that the telephone was a form of connection. Young people connect by text. They don&#039;t see it as cowardess to use a text to say &quot;I&#039;m sorry&quot;.

I&#039;d be curious as to what would happen if he actually took aussie&#039;s advise and sent a text-flower. If he had never done it before then I bet it would work just like a real flower because he &quot;thought&quot; to do something to impress her without focusing on the problem.

I think that is the real problem in most relationship conflicts. Too many people focusing on &quot;the problem&quot;. He wants his wife to stay home more, she didn&#039;t like it. They argued. WHAT&#039;S WRONG WITH THAT!!! As if good relationships never have conflict. The key is not whose wrong. It&#039;s settling the conflict. Keep trying to work it out. He doesn&#039;t even need to apologize and neither does she. BUT YOU BOTH NEED TO WORK IT. Someone needs to step up to the plate. She isn&#039;t willing so responsibility falls to you. No chivalry, no feminism, just common sense.

Having been happily married for 27 years and having gotten married at 21 years old, I should have been divorced. That&#039;s what happens when you only listen to classic canned conventional advise which most people here are offering. So much for the return of the real man. A real man is a man who understands what is important, not what is right (socially speaking).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting set of responses. You can tell that everyone responding is over 20 years old and most do not understand &#8220;texting&#8221;.</p>
<p>Texting is a form of communication for young people. If you are older then it is probably not appropriate simply because you aren&#8217;t any good at it (not just talking about thumbing but expression). You need &#8220;old school&#8221;.</p>
<p>The world is changing and I assure you this conversation won&#8217;t even be going on 20 years from now.</p>
<p>My son is carrying on a dating relation right now with a girl in another state almost exclusively by text. How many carried on their dating relationship by phone and had their parents say &#8220;what do you talk about?&#8221;. They didn&#8217;t understand that the telephone was a form of connection. Young people connect by text. They don&#8217;t see it as cowardess to use a text to say &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be curious as to what would happen if he actually took aussie&#8217;s advise and sent a text-flower. If he had never done it before then I bet it would work just like a real flower because he &#8220;thought&#8221; to do something to impress her without focusing on the problem.</p>
<p>I think that is the real problem in most relationship conflicts. Too many people focusing on &#8220;the problem&#8221;. He wants his wife to stay home more, she didn&#8217;t like it. They argued. WHAT&#8217;S WRONG WITH THAT!!! As if good relationships never have conflict. The key is not whose wrong. It&#8217;s settling the conflict. Keep trying to work it out. He doesn&#8217;t even need to apologize and neither does she. BUT YOU BOTH NEED TO WORK IT. Someone needs to step up to the plate. She isn&#8217;t willing so responsibility falls to you. No chivalry, no feminism, just common sense.</p>
<p>Having been happily married for 27 years and having gotten married at 21 years old, I should have been divorced. That&#8217;s what happens when you only listen to classic canned conventional advise which most people here are offering. So much for the return of the real man. A real man is a man who understands what is important, not what is right (socially speaking).</p>
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