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	<title>Comments on: Let&#8217;s Make a Deal: Haggling Abroad</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Elwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Elwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 22:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was I the only person who balked at the misspelling of nunchaku and its subsequent mislabeling as a Chinese objet d&#039;art?

Doesn&#039;t sound like the author is practicing their own advise of researching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was I the only person who balked at the misspelling of nunchaku and its subsequent mislabeling as a Chinese objet d&#8217;art?</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t sound like the author is practicing their own advise of researching.</p>
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		<title>By: senatorrosewater</title>
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		<dc:creator>senatorrosewater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a sailor, I&#039;ve bought junk all over the world. The article is pretty good, but there&#039;s one thing you missed... tell the merchant that the guy on the next street over is offering the same thing for $X. Can you beat his price? This works every time if you name a realistic price.

I&#039;ve actually found lower prices by naming my price, walking away, and coming back later. If I make it known the ship is leaving that day, so much the better.

Also, consider haggling in US dollars. many world currencies are hard to do the math on, and are very volatile from day to day. People in the 3rd world treat USD like gold. Just make sure your dollars have no rips or tears. People are very suspicious of old money, and most won&#039;t accept it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a sailor, I&#8217;ve bought junk all over the world. The article is pretty good, but there&#8217;s one thing you missed&#8230; tell the merchant that the guy on the next street over is offering the same thing for $X. Can you beat his price? This works every time if you name a realistic price.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve actually found lower prices by naming my price, walking away, and coming back later. If I make it known the ship is leaving that day, so much the better.</p>
<p>Also, consider haggling in US dollars. many world currencies are hard to do the math on, and are very volatile from day to day. People in the 3rd world treat USD like gold. Just make sure your dollars have no rips or tears. People are very suspicious of old money, and most won&#8217;t accept it.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure it may be &quot;fun&quot; and &quot;customary&quot; to haggle with street vendors overseas.  But, come on.  What difference does a few dollars in price really mean to you.  So you have a story about how you bargained the third worlder down three whole dollars.  That cannot even buy you a cup of coffee in The States, but it could feed his wife and four kids dinner that night.  Pay the poor guy and walk away with a momento of your trip and knowing you helped an impovershed person make ends meet for that day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure it may be &#8220;fun&#8221; and &#8220;customary&#8221; to haggle with street vendors overseas.  But, come on.  What difference does a few dollars in price really mean to you.  So you have a story about how you bargained the third worlder down three whole dollars.  That cannot even buy you a cup of coffee in The States, but it could feed his wife and four kids dinner that night.  Pay the poor guy and walk away with a momento of your trip and knowing you helped an impovershed person make ends meet for that day.</p>
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		<title>By: Christatos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christatos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 21:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The key to haggling everywhere in the world is to never question the quality of the merchandise unless the merchant can&#039;t deny that they were trying to bilk you. You want to respect them, but when it becomes clear the emperor has no clothes, don&#039;t be afraid to go for the throat. Sometimes this will still get you thrown out of the shop, but that is the price of wisdom.

As to the question of dressing down, my view on it, as a man who considers being well dressed a requirement, is that the better dressed you are the gentler a technique you must cultivate. A man in a $2000 suit has no business playing hard ball over the price of an apple, but gently nudging it down if it is bruised a bit is acceptable. Don&#039;t dress down to get a deal, act like who you are, and represent the money in your bank account with honesty. There is a fine line between going for a deal, and being a shark. One is the key to being a responsible but classy man, the other leads to being a greasy shill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The key to haggling everywhere in the world is to never question the quality of the merchandise unless the merchant can&#8217;t deny that they were trying to bilk you. You want to respect them, but when it becomes clear the emperor has no clothes, don&#8217;t be afraid to go for the throat. Sometimes this will still get you thrown out of the shop, but that is the price of wisdom.</p>
<p>As to the question of dressing down, my view on it, as a man who considers being well dressed a requirement, is that the better dressed you are the gentler a technique you must cultivate. A man in a $2000 suit has no business playing hard ball over the price of an apple, but gently nudging it down if it is bruised a bit is acceptable. Don&#8217;t dress down to get a deal, act like who you are, and represent the money in your bank account with honesty. There is a fine line between going for a deal, and being a shark. One is the key to being a responsible but classy man, the other leads to being a greasy shill.</p>
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		<title>By: Haggling &#171; Samuel J. Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haggling &#171; Samuel J. Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 10:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] No Comments  The Art of Manliness offers some good advice on haggling in non-Western countries. See here. After living in Israel, as well as visiting Egypt and India, I&#8217;d like to think that [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dane, I&#039;m not sure how much you&#039;ve traveled (perhaps not a lot from your comment), but haggling isn&#039;t one way to do business in street markets it&#039;s *the* way to do it. It&#039;s a cultural thing-that&#039;s how everybody does it from the tourists to the locals. If you read Backpacker&#039;s comments you&#039;d see that in a place like China it&#039;s insulting not to haggle. You don&#039;t do it in America, one because it&#039;s not part of the culture, and two, because things are generally priced at market value. If you go to a street market things are overpriced on purpose. You&#039;ll find a cheap wooden box for $40, when it costs a couple dollars to make. The seller knows this and you know this. All haggling does is get it down to around a fair market price. To me it&#039;s more insulting to treat a vendor who is trying to run a business as a charity. I don&#039;t think they need your pity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dane, I&#8217;m not sure how much you&#8217;ve traveled (perhaps not a lot from your comment), but haggling isn&#8217;t one way to do business in street markets it&#8217;s *the* way to do it. It&#8217;s a cultural thing-that&#8217;s how everybody does it from the tourists to the locals. If you read Backpacker&#8217;s comments you&#8217;d see that in a place like China it&#8217;s insulting not to haggle. You don&#8217;t do it in America, one because it&#8217;s not part of the culture, and two, because things are generally priced at market value. If you go to a street market things are overpriced on purpose. You&#8217;ll find a cheap wooden box for $40, when it costs a couple dollars to make. The seller knows this and you know this. All haggling does is get it down to around a fair market price. To me it&#8217;s more insulting to treat a vendor who is trying to run a business as a charity. I don&#8217;t think they need your pity.</p>
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		<title>By: Dane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 21:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not really excited about this post. I&#039;m assuming that if you&#039;re traveling, and don&#039;t know the local culture, you must have money to spend on luxuries. You&#039;re not in danger of going without food and housing. Can you say the same for the vendor? Certainly, in many cases, you may well be dealing with a well-off businessman who sells cheap junk to dumb tourists for a huge profit. But there is also a good chance you&#039;re dealing with someone making a modest living off of what they are selling you. Do you really need to save $5 by haggling down somebody who eats for a dollar a day? Is it manly to save a relatively little amount at a relatively significant detriment to the other person?

I just want you to think about this when you want to haggle. Why not exercise some generosity and pay the asking price if it is reasonable? If you&#039;d be willing to pay the price for the same thing off a shelf in the US, then why not here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not really excited about this post. I&#8217;m assuming that if you&#8217;re traveling, and don&#8217;t know the local culture, you must have money to spend on luxuries. You&#8217;re not in danger of going without food and housing. Can you say the same for the vendor? Certainly, in many cases, you may well be dealing with a well-off businessman who sells cheap junk to dumb tourists for a huge profit. But there is also a good chance you&#8217;re dealing with someone making a modest living off of what they are selling you. Do you really need to save $5 by haggling down somebody who eats for a dollar a day? Is it manly to save a relatively little amount at a relatively significant detriment to the other person?</p>
<p>I just want you to think about this when you want to haggle. Why not exercise some generosity and pay the asking price if it is reasonable? If you&#8217;d be willing to pay the price for the same thing off a shelf in the US, then why not here?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the advice about &quot;dressing down&quot;. But my question is this: where is the line between deserving of respect and being a rich snob? I would want to dress down to avoid appearing wealthy, but on the other hand, if you look like a complete slob, you might not be treated with as much respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the advice about &#8220;dressing down&#8221;. But my question is this: where is the line between deserving of respect and being a rich snob? I would want to dress down to avoid appearing wealthy, but on the other hand, if you look like a complete slob, you might not be treated with as much respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Backpack Foodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Backpack Foodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 17:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not saying you&#039;re there to make friends. I&#039;m saying this:

In a place like the States where you don&#039;t usually bargain, the buyer is in power, as he can buy or walk out. So the seller has to play it up, put up a facade of friendliness, and pretend to be friends. He needs, in other words, to build rapport. The impetus for this is entirely on the vendor.

But go to a country where bargaining is the norm, and suddenly it&#039;s a two-way street. Act like a jackass, and chances are the vendor will just mark up the price. He&#039;ll set his mental &#039;low sell point&#039; much higher, because he doesn&#039;t like you. But act friendly, establish rapport, and suddenly the vendor will concede a lot more.

The way business is done in the Middle East and in Asia is not as distinct from social exchanges as it is in the West. Vendors expect bargaining because it&#039;s a form of social interaction. Not bargaining is rude, because you&#039;re basically saying you don&#039;t want to interact with someone. It&#039;s like having a nice chat before you enter a business contract.

So yeah, the end result is, the vendor is there to make money, and you&#039;re there to save money on your purchase. But if you go into it &#039;strictly business&#039; with the clear intent of being a hard negociator and not getting ripped off, you WILL get ripped off. I&#039;ve seen vendors RIP OFF tourists so bad because these tourists thought they should speak as little as possible and act like they were negotiating with terrorists or something.

Now, if that doesn&#039;t explain my point, nothing will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying you&#8217;re there to make friends. I&#8217;m saying this:</p>
<p>In a place like the States where you don&#8217;t usually bargain, the buyer is in power, as he can buy or walk out. So the seller has to play it up, put up a facade of friendliness, and pretend to be friends. He needs, in other words, to build rapport. The impetus for this is entirely on the vendor.</p>
<p>But go to a country where bargaining is the norm, and suddenly it&#8217;s a two-way street. Act like a jackass, and chances are the vendor will just mark up the price. He&#8217;ll set his mental &#8216;low sell point&#8217; much higher, because he doesn&#8217;t like you. But act friendly, establish rapport, and suddenly the vendor will concede a lot more.</p>
<p>The way business is done in the Middle East and in Asia is not as distinct from social exchanges as it is in the West. Vendors expect bargaining because it&#8217;s a form of social interaction. Not bargaining is rude, because you&#8217;re basically saying you don&#8217;t want to interact with someone. It&#8217;s like having a nice chat before you enter a business contract.</p>
<p>So yeah, the end result is, the vendor is there to make money, and you&#8217;re there to save money on your purchase. But if you go into it &#8217;strictly business&#8217; with the clear intent of being a hard negociator and not getting ripped off, you WILL get ripped off. I&#8217;ve seen vendors RIP OFF tourists so bad because these tourists thought they should speak as little as possible and act like they were negotiating with terrorists or something.</p>
<p>Now, if that doesn&#8217;t explain my point, nothing will.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 16:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be leaving the states next Monday to work for the summer as a missionary with a media team based in Nairobi, Kenya.  Any specific advice?</description>
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		<title>By: Nt4thBook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nt4thBook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 16:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My best advice when it comes to haggling in a foreign land, is to figure the maximum you are willing to pay and isolate that money to a different pocket. Obviously, you should not do this in the presence of the one, in whom, you hope to negotiate.  If you can get it for less, great! If he wants more, simply show him the wad of money, saying &quot;This is all I have for this item.&quot;  Be firm, but show remorse or disappointment that you can not offer more.  More often than not, they won&#039;t let you leave the store empty handed, but you have to be ready to do just that. Save this technique for towns you are passing through or on the last day of your visit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My best advice when it comes to haggling in a foreign land, is to figure the maximum you are willing to pay and isolate that money to a different pocket. Obviously, you should not do this in the presence of the one, in whom, you hope to negotiate.  If you can get it for less, great! If he wants more, simply show him the wad of money, saying &#8220;This is all I have for this item.&#8221;  Be firm, but show remorse or disappointment that you can not offer more.  More often than not, they won&#8217;t let you leave the store empty handed, but you have to be ready to do just that. Save this technique for towns you are passing through or on the last day of your visit.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 16:38:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article makes me smile and think fondly of my dad. He is a haggling GOD. When we were younger and lived in Texas I remember taking trips over the border into Mexico with him just so he could haggle. He would spend hours arguing even if he only managed to get $5.00 taken off the price.

@ Backpack Foodie...I&#039;d have to disagree with you. As harsh as this sounds, the locals are not looking to make friends with you, they want your money plain and simple. If you want to shoot the shit and make friends with the shopkeepers then you should frequent the more expensive stores that don&#039;t deal in haggling. I&#039;m not saying you should be outright rude to them, but being bubbly and friendly simply paints you as an easy target. You can joke around with them, but always keep the appearance that you are in control.

This article could have been written by my dad its so accurate. Good work! One of my favorite parts about traveling is haggling with the locals, and I chalk that all up to my dad&#039;s hard bargaining ways!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article makes me smile and think fondly of my dad. He is a haggling GOD. When we were younger and lived in Texas I remember taking trips over the border into Mexico with him just so he could haggle. He would spend hours arguing even if he only managed to get $5.00 taken off the price.</p>
<p>@ Backpack Foodie&#8230;I&#8217;d have to disagree with you. As harsh as this sounds, the locals are not looking to make friends with you, they want your money plain and simple. If you want to shoot the shit and make friends with the shopkeepers then you should frequent the more expensive stores that don&#8217;t deal in haggling. I&#8217;m not saying you should be outright rude to them, but being bubbly and friendly simply paints you as an easy target. You can joke around with them, but always keep the appearance that you are in control.</p>
<p>This article could have been written by my dad its so accurate. Good work! One of my favorite parts about traveling is haggling with the locals, and I chalk that all up to my dad&#8217;s hard bargaining ways!</p>
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		<title>By: Backpack Foodie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Backpack Foodie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 15:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s not because you&#039;re having a business deal that you can&#039;t be nice about it. It&#039;s the same logic by which the guy trying to sell you a HDTV in North America is trying to chat you up.

All I&#039;m saying is, if you approach this like a hard-nosed negociation, you&#039;ll get ripped off. Vendors are good at acting like victims of your hard bargaining skills, while ripping you off on the side. I&#039;ve seen it.

I&#039;ve lived 3 years in Mainland China, and trust me: go at it with a smile and a sense of humor, and by the end the vendor will be happy to sell you the lowest price he&#039;s sold all day. The best bargainers I&#039;ve met have gotten invitations to dinner out of it. The worst were the hard bargainers who treated the vendors like dirt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s not because you&#8217;re having a business deal that you can&#8217;t be nice about it. It&#8217;s the same logic by which the guy trying to sell you a HDTV in North America is trying to chat you up.</p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is, if you approach this like a hard-nosed negociation, you&#8217;ll get ripped off. Vendors are good at acting like victims of your hard bargaining skills, while ripping you off on the side. I&#8217;ve seen it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lived 3 years in Mainland China, and trust me: go at it with a smile and a sense of humor, and by the end the vendor will be happy to sell you the lowest price he&#8217;s sold all day. The best bargainers I&#8217;ve met have gotten invitations to dinner out of it. The worst were the hard bargainers who treated the vendors like dirt.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 15:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having lived in Hong Kong for close to a year, one of the hardest things for me to get used to has been that haggling isn&#039;t confined just to markets. The locals jokingly told me &quot;it&#039;s HK, everything is negotiable,&quot; and while I was initially skeptical, I&#039;ve found it to be true just about everywhere - even in upscale stores in malls. 

The other part, which is hard to digest at first, is that there is a certain gweilo premium - this becomes especially apparent going out to eat with locals who always manage to haggle for better deals (even on food!). 

Moral of the story - don&#039;t be afraid to ask, worst they can do is say no...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having lived in Hong Kong for close to a year, one of the hardest things for me to get used to has been that haggling isn&#8217;t confined just to markets. The locals jokingly told me &#8220;it&#8217;s HK, everything is negotiable,&#8221; and while I was initially skeptical, I&#8217;ve found it to be true just about everywhere &#8211; even in upscale stores in malls. </p>
<p>The other part, which is hard to digest at first, is that there is a certain gweilo premium &#8211; this becomes especially apparent going out to eat with locals who always manage to haggle for better deals (even on food!). </p>
<p>Moral of the story &#8211; don&#8217;t be afraid to ask, worst they can do is say no&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 14:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A social interaction? Nah, I disagree. A seller may feign that he wants to get to know you and have some fun with it but at the end of the day this is a business exchange not a party. You want an item for a certain price and he wants to sell it for a certain price. That&#039;s the essence of it. By all means be nice and smile, but don&#039;t try to become best friends. My dad&#039;s a real ass when he bargains but he always get the best price on stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A social interaction? Nah, I disagree. A seller may feign that he wants to get to know you and have some fun with it but at the end of the day this is a business exchange not a party. You want an item for a certain price and he wants to sell it for a certain price. That&#8217;s the essence of it. By all means be nice and smile, but don&#8217;t try to become best friends. My dad&#8217;s a real ass when he bargains but he always get the best price on stuff.</p>
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