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> <channel><title>Comments on: So You Want My Job: Whitewater Rafting Guide</title> <atom:link href="http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/</link> <description>Men&#039;s Interests and Lifestyle</description> <lastBuildDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 14:20:31 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Tom</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/#comment-96955</link> <dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 09 Mar 2010 15:36:23 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2070#comment-96955</guid> <description>Cheers on the article, Joe.By coincidence, I actually began guide training in British Columbia a few days after this article was published. I flew over from Australia to pursue this line of work, and it was absolutely worth it. I&#039;m currently typing up my travel journal at http://papertrailtramp.wordpress.com/, in which I&#039;m describing the training process, the work, and the lifestyle in some detail. Feel free to have a read.Tom</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers on the article, Joe.</p><p>By coincidence, I actually began guide training in British Columbia a few days after this article was published. I flew over from Australia to pursue this line of work, and it was absolutely worth it. I&#8217;m currently typing up my travel journal at <a
href="http://papertrailtramp.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://papertrailtramp.wordpress.com/</a>, in which I&#8217;m describing the training process, the work, and the lifestyle in some detail. Feel free to have a read.</p><p>Tom</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Matt</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/#comment-84982</link> <dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 04:58:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2070#comment-84982</guid> <description>Hey joe!
Awesome post man I really enjoyed reading through all of that! I love whitewater rafting more than anything. Heres the problem.. I LIVE IN FLORIDA! I have been down the nantalahala river in north carolina I want to say at east 4 times now. One of those times in a Double Ducky. I have also been in the upper and middle ocoee. Nantalahala is no comparison in intensity and I loved every minute of it. I was hopin I could get your email so that I could talk to you about guiding and such. Will the website give you my email or do I need to send it to you in a post. Thank you and God bless!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey joe!<br
/> Awesome post man I really enjoyed reading through all of that! I love whitewater rafting more than anything. Heres the problem.. I LIVE IN FLORIDA! I have been down the nantalahala river in north carolina I want to say at east 4 times now. One of those times in a Double Ducky. I have also been in the upper and middle ocoee. Nantalahala is no comparison in intensity and I loved every minute of it. I was hopin I could get your email so that I could talk to you about guiding and such. Will the website give you my email or do I need to send it to you in a post. Thank you and God bless!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kevin</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/#comment-58905</link> <dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:08:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2070#comment-58905</guid> <description>Joe is doing the right thing.My life is actually quite similar. Weekdays I work for an online broker and weekends - during the season - I am to be found rafting the Vorderrhein in Switzerland for the local kayak school / raft company.I wouldn&#039;t miss it for anything and I&#039;m actually working on extending my time on the river and/or decreasing my time in the office.Good stuff!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe is doing the right thing.</p><p>My life is actually quite similar. Weekdays I work for an online broker and weekends &#8211; during the season &#8211; I am to be found rafting the Vorderrhein in Switzerland for the local kayak school / raft company.</p><p>I wouldn&#8217;t miss it for anything and I&#8217;m actually working on extending my time on the river and/or decreasing my time in the office.</p><p>Good stuff!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: bryceparker</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/#comment-27263</link> <dc:creator>bryceparker</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:41:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2070#comment-27263</guid> <description>I&#039;m a former guide of the Snake River in Jackson, WY.  I miss it every day...</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a former guide of the Snake River in Jackson, WY.  I miss it every day&#8230;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joe Cope (author)</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/#comment-26462</link> <dc:creator>Joe Cope (author)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:09:53 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2070#comment-26462</guid> <description>@willyes i do remember that time.  it was when hurricane ivan made its way up to east tennessee and rained for days.  water flow on the river is expressed in cubic feet per second (cfs) referencing how much water is passed over the dam at the top.  on a normal day, the river runs anywhere between 1200 and 1500 cfs.  when Ivan came through, the river actually got up to 7000 cfs.  now when it&#039;s that high, we can&#039;t take customers down by law, the cutoff is at 3000 cfs, and i&#039;m sure there were trips going out while the water was still legal.  we had a group of guides (myself not included) that went down the river while it was 7000cfs.  the 5-mile middle section usually takes about 1.5-2 hours to run.  they made it down in 40 minutes.  craaaaaaazy.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@will</p><p>yes i do remember that time.  it was when hurricane ivan made its way up to east tennessee and rained for days.  water flow on the river is expressed in cubic feet per second (cfs) referencing how much water is passed over the dam at the top.  on a normal day, the river runs anywhere between 1200 and 1500 cfs.  when Ivan came through, the river actually got up to 7000 cfs.  now when it&#8217;s that high, we can&#8217;t take customers down by law, the cutoff is at 3000 cfs, and i&#8217;m sure there were trips going out while the water was still legal.  we had a group of guides (myself not included) that went down the river while it was 7000cfs.  the 5-mile middle section usually takes about 1.5-2 hours to run.  they made it down in 40 minutes.  craaaaaaazy.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Will</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/#comment-26452</link> <dc:creator>Will</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 08:12:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2070#comment-26452</guid> <description>Joe Cope,Do you recall a few years ago (3 or 4 maybe?) when the river got right up to the limit where you could still put people on the water, most of the rapids washed out, and Powerhouse turned into basically a 15-foot vertical wall of water?  You almost had to duck as you passed under the bridge.  I was told it was the highest/fastest the Ocoee had been in like 20 years or something.Don&#039;t know why I&#039;m mentioning it...just a fond memory.Will</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Cope,</p><p>Do you recall a few years ago (3 or 4 maybe?) when the river got right up to the limit where you could still put people on the water, most of the rapids washed out, and Powerhouse turned into basically a 15-foot vertical wall of water?  You almost had to duck as you passed under the bridge.  I was told it was the highest/fastest the Ocoee had been in like 20 years or something.</p><p>Don&#8217;t know why I&#8217;m mentioning it&#8230;just a fond memory.</p><p>Will</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: kamal bhandari</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/#comment-26124</link> <dc:creator>kamal bhandari</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:50:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2070#comment-26124</guid> <description>hi this is kamal river raft guide from nepal  country of mounteverest
i am 29 years old river guide i love to work as a river guide i am working in nepal and india as a raft guide and i started to work in nepal from 2000AD  till now as a river guids i really like to work on my river trip it was so fun and some money too
people comes from all over the world do white water rafting in nepal  so  now i want go out from the country of nepal  so if there are any place for guide job  please i am giving full time for your company
i did some traning  like guide licence from nepal goverment , first aid , and  WRT  from nolse and many river in nepal or india
so please  let me know if there any vacency to work
kamal</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi this is kamal river raft guide from nepal  country of mounteverest<br
/> i am 29 years old river guide i love to work as a river guide i am working in nepal and india as a raft guide and i started to work in nepal from 2000AD  till now as a river guids i really like to work on my river trip it was so fun and some money too<br
/> people comes from all over the world do white water rafting in nepal  so  now i want go out from the country of nepal  so if there are any place for guide job  please i am giving full time for your company<br
/> i did some traning  like guide licence from nepal goverment , first aid , and  WRT  from nolse and many river in nepal or india<br
/> so please  let me know if there any vacency to work<br
/> kamal</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Tom Pehrson</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/#comment-26056</link> <dc:creator>Tom Pehrson</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:04:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2070#comment-26056</guid> <description>Hey guys - here&#039;s how to get your feet wet:http://www.alaskaadventures.com/alaska_travel_adventures/pages/job_descriptions.htmRIVER GUIDE: Row inflatable rafts with 10-12 passengers down five miles of the Mendenhall River. There is one mile of class 2-3 whitewater. Responsible for safe operation of raft; providing entertaining and informative narrative to clients; loading, unloading, and cleaning of trip equipment. Boating and rafting experience helpful. Position requires heavy lifting; random drug testing. Available in Juneau.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys &#8211; here&#8217;s how to get your feet wet:</p><p><a
href="http://www.alaskaadventures.com/alaska_travel_adventures/pages/job_descriptions.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.alaskaadventures.com/alaska_travel_adventures/pages/job_descriptions.htm</a></p><p>RIVER GUIDE: Row inflatable rafts with 10-12 passengers down five miles of the Mendenhall River. There is one mile of class 2-3 whitewater. Responsible for safe operation of raft; providing entertaining and informative narrative to clients; loading, unloading, and cleaning of trip equipment. Boating and rafting experience helpful. Position requires heavy lifting; random drug testing. Available in Juneau.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Steve Watters</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/#comment-25963</link> <dc:creator>Steve Watters</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:15:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2070#comment-25963</guid> <description>Great stuff Joe.  I was a Lee student from 1988 to 1992 and then managed the production centers at Lee until 1995.  My cousin was a guide on the Ocoee around that time.  That&#039;s some great whitewater rafting.
All the best,
Steve Watters</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff Joe.  I was a Lee student from 1988 to 1992 and then managed the production centers at Lee until 1995.  My cousin was a guide on the Ocoee around that time.  That&#8217;s some great whitewater rafting.<br
/> All the best,<br
/> Steve Watters</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: James</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/#comment-25959</link> <dc:creator>James</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:21:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2070#comment-25959</guid> <description>This was my favorite interview in this series. It really inspired me to get out there and do something cool. Thanks.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was my favorite interview in this series. It really inspired me to get out there and do something cool. Thanks.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joe Cope (author)</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/#comment-25958</link> <dc:creator>Joe Cope (author)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:13:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2070#comment-25958</guid> <description>@kim vickers, actually, my only other whitewater experience before i started on the Ocoee was on the New River when i was 17.  i loved it out there, it&#039;s a great place, and we had a very good time on the New :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kim vickers, actually, my only other whitewater experience before i started on the Ocoee was on the New River when i was 17.  i loved it out there, it&#8217;s a great place, and we had a very good time on the New <img
src='http://artofmanliness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kim Vickers</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/#comment-25954</link> <dc:creator>Kim Vickers</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:48:01 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2070#comment-25954</guid> <description>Love the interview, you did.   You nailed everything on the head.   I work for Songer Whitewater and New River Season has geared up and we are all pumped up.  Do you ever come to the area ?
Kim</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the interview, you did.   You nailed everything on the head.   I work for Songer Whitewater and New River Season has geared up and we are all pumped up.  Do you ever come to the area ?<br
/> Kim</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jess Cope</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/#comment-25943</link> <dc:creator>Jess Cope</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 08:29:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2070#comment-25943</guid> <description>Great article Joe!!!  I&#039;ve been rafting a few times; twice with my brother (the interview-ee here).  He really does a great job, and it really is GREAT FUN!!!  The Olympic course was very scary for me (because I&#039;m a big chicken) but after we got started, everything went so well.  It&#039;s so beautiful out there, and rafting is a great time.  If I lived close to the river, I would definitely give being a  guide a chance.Hope you have a great summer Broseph!!!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Joe!!!  I&#8217;ve been rafting a few times; twice with my brother (the interview-ee here).  He really does a great job, and it really is GREAT FUN!!!  The Olympic course was very scary for me (because I&#8217;m a big chicken) but after we got started, everything went so well.  It&#8217;s so beautiful out there, and rafting is a great time.  If I lived close to the river, I would definitely give being a  guide a chance.</p><p>Hope you have a great summer Broseph!!!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joe Cope (author)</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/#comment-25927</link> <dc:creator>Joe Cope (author)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:17:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2070#comment-25927</guid> <description>i forgot to mention, weekends are the busiest times, we are practically dead on mondays and thursdays, business wise.  so especially for newer guides, most (if not all) of your trips will come on the weekend, so the difference between weekend only and full time is almost negligible.  fridays are the only weekday where business gets kind of crazy in mid-to-late summer.oh, and this is @Roadchick, the first rapid is called Grumpy&#039;s, and it&#039;s called that b/c if you fall in, you&#039;ll be grumpy the rest of the day.  it&#039;s full of swift current and many rocks.  i&#039;ve had a few swims there myself during my training, and it was not fun, so i feel you on that one!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i forgot to mention, weekends are the busiest times, we are practically dead on mondays and thursdays, business wise.  so especially for newer guides, most (if not all) of your trips will come on the weekend, so the difference between weekend only and full time is almost negligible.  fridays are the only weekday where business gets kind of crazy in mid-to-late summer.</p><p>oh, and this is @Roadchick, the first rapid is called Grumpy&#8217;s, and it&#8217;s called that b/c if you fall in, you&#8217;ll be grumpy the rest of the day.  it&#8217;s full of swift current and many rocks.  i&#8217;ve had a few swims there myself during my training, and it was not fun, so i feel you on that one!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joe Cope (author)</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/04/22/so-you-want-my-job-whitewater-rafting-guide/#comment-25926</link> <dc:creator>Joe Cope (author)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:13:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/?p=2070#comment-25926</guid> <description>i can answer the salary question for you, no problem.  first and foremost, nobody is a rafting guide for the money.  the pay is dependent on a few factors: experience (therefore frequency of being scheduled, see #7 above), what company you work for, and your role in the trip.  for example, right now, i get paid $26 per trip.  the base pay for me is $25 per trip, but since i am a certified Wilderness First Responder (you don&#039;t have to be one to be a guide, just to be a trip leader), i get $1 more per trip (almost silly, i know, but over a summer it adds up).  at my company, trip leaders get $10 added to their personal base pay (only on trips that they lead), Assistant Trip Leaders get $5 extra per trip, only on trips where they are A.T.L.  i wouldn&#039;t want to be rude and tell how much my fellow guides make, but we are on a bracket system, people in years 1-5 make the same base, years 6-10 make the same base pay, people 11-15 years, and so on.basically, i make about ... hmm... maybe between a grand or two each summer.  if i could do it full time, i could make a lot more, but not enough to support a life beyond extreme simplicity (which some people are happy with).  on a busy weekend in august, i could probably bring home $150 on the paycheck, and that doesn&#039;t count tips...YES, raft guides work very hard for tips.  a lot of people don&#039;t know that, and a lot of times we end up empty handed for the day.  now, granted, that&#039;s how WHY we raft, it sure makes it nice to have a few envelopes with your name on them at the end of the day, and some cash stuffed inside.  and really, tips can be pretty random.  i&#039;ve seen anywhere from an envelope full of change to $150 from a single group.  for a lower-section-only trip, it&#039;s about average for each person in the raft to tip like $5 for a trip.  that gives the guide $30 bucks for the whole raft, and it gives him a smile as well.  some guides are pretty shameless about talking up tips, i just take whatever i get.  i&#039;m kind of embarrassed to mention it b/c i don&#039;t want people to think i&#039;m only being nice for money.  i&#039;m definitely not out there for the money.  i&#039;m out there b/c it&#039;s where my heart is.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i can answer the salary question for you, no problem.  first and foremost, nobody is a rafting guide for the money.  the pay is dependent on a few factors: experience (therefore frequency of being scheduled, see #7 above), what company you work for, and your role in the trip.  for example, right now, i get paid $26 per trip.  the base pay for me is $25 per trip, but since i am a certified Wilderness First Responder (you don&#8217;t have to be one to be a guide, just to be a trip leader), i get $1 more per trip (almost silly, i know, but over a summer it adds up).  at my company, trip leaders get $10 added to their personal base pay (only on trips that they lead), Assistant Trip Leaders get $5 extra per trip, only on trips where they are A.T.L.  i wouldn&#8217;t want to be rude and tell how much my fellow guides make, but we are on a bracket system, people in years 1-5 make the same base, years 6-10 make the same base pay, people 11-15 years, and so on.</p><p>basically, i make about &#8230; hmm&#8230; maybe between a grand or two each summer.  if i could do it full time, i could make a lot more, but not enough to support a life beyond extreme simplicity (which some people are happy with).  on a busy weekend in august, i could probably bring home $150 on the paycheck, and that doesn&#8217;t count tips&#8230;</p><p>YES, raft guides work very hard for tips.  a lot of people don&#8217;t know that, and a lot of times we end up empty handed for the day.  now, granted, that&#8217;s how WHY we raft, it sure makes it nice to have a few envelopes with your name on them at the end of the day, and some cash stuffed inside.  and really, tips can be pretty random.  i&#8217;ve seen anywhere from an envelope full of change to $150 from a single group.  for a lower-section-only trip, it&#8217;s about average for each person in the raft to tip like $5 for a trip.  that gives the guide $30 bucks for the whole raft, and it gives him a smile as well.  some guides are pretty shameless about talking up tips, i just take whatever i get.  i&#8217;m kind of embarrassed to mention it b/c i don&#8217;t want people to think i&#8217;m only being nice for money.  i&#8217;m definitely not out there for the money.  i&#8217;m out there b/c it&#8217;s where my heart is.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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