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		<title>By: The Art of Legacy Blog &#187; The Ultimate Guide to Creating a Legacy: 100 Insanely Useful Posts</title>
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		<description>[...] Men of Legend: The Battle of the Alamo by Chris [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Uziel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uziel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why is everyone voting down the comments on the slavery issue? I love the article, which is at it&#039;s core about willing to die for what you believe in, and in this case those men believed in the independence of Texas and their rights. Nothing more manly than that. However, this isn&#039;t cause to ignore basic facts. At the time, Texas was a part of Mexico. Mexico had abolished slavery. Texas fought for independence, got it, legalized slavery and was annexed into the United States where it was already legal. The people living in San Antonio were already US citizens doing what they perceived as their legal right under their countries&#039; laws. Stating these facts does NOT detract for their brave actions to defend their rights, even if the course of history could possibly later vilify some of their motives. It doesn&#039;t, so that is irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is everyone voting down the comments on the slavery issue? I love the article, which is at it&#8217;s core about willing to die for what you believe in, and in this case those men believed in the independence of Texas and their rights. Nothing more manly than that. However, this isn&#8217;t cause to ignore basic facts. At the time, Texas was a part of Mexico. Mexico had abolished slavery. Texas fought for independence, got it, legalized slavery and was annexed into the United States where it was already legal. The people living in San Antonio were already US citizens doing what they perceived as their legal right under their countries&#8217; laws. Stating these facts does NOT detract for their brave actions to defend their rights, even if the course of history could possibly later vilify some of their motives. It doesn&#8217;t, so that is irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Acosta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob Acosta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is crap.

Yeah flag me down whatever, but this comes from a collegiate historian in San Antonio.

Let&#039;s take Davy Crockett for example, his biographer, Marl Derr, wrote in 1994 that he was a &quot;drunk, brawler, womanizer, adulterer, upstart, liar, loser, and hypocrite.&quot;

Is this really someone to hold in such a high esteem?

Good way to promote false nationlistic ideas based on racial biases, Chris. Yes some American&#039;s came-Stephen Austin- to the Mexican frontier and attempted assimilation.  Others, however, were born under a flag with the predisposition of unprecedented growth, who would ultimately murder thousands in order to accomplish those pursuits.

If you want to give a history lesson, than I would recommend you not focus on revolutionaries because its always the victor&#039;s story that typically gets told despite the fallacies, as apparent by your post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is crap.</p>
<p>Yeah flag me down whatever, but this comes from a collegiate historian in San Antonio.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s take Davy Crockett for example, his biographer, Marl Derr, wrote in 1994 that he was a &#8220;drunk, brawler, womanizer, adulterer, upstart, liar, loser, and hypocrite.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is this really someone to hold in such a high esteem?</p>
<p>Good way to promote false nationlistic ideas based on racial biases, Chris. Yes some American&#8217;s came-Stephen Austin- to the Mexican frontier and attempted assimilation.  Others, however, were born under a flag with the predisposition of unprecedented growth, who would ultimately murder thousands in order to accomplish those pursuits.</p>
<p>If you want to give a history lesson, than I would recommend you not focus on revolutionaries because its always the victor&#8217;s story that typically gets told despite the fallacies, as apparent by your post.</p>
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		<title>By: rb3m</title>
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		<dc:creator>rb3m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 01:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Texas will always be an open wound for Mexicans. Not only because of itself but also as the first chapter of the invasion that would follow ten years later and that would end up with the loss of half our territory. There is no need to excuse or apologize for the Texian motives, though, or to doubt their honor or their word. 

Although there were a good number of squatters, most had swore allegiance to Mexico, became Catholic and were overall good Mexican citizens. A special dispensation was made for slave ownership, since a lot of them wouldn&#039;t have made the trip without slaves. A very important fact to keep in mind is that they had sworn allegiance to the Constitution of 1824 which made Mexico a federal republic. 

Several factors contributed to the Texian revolution. One was the end of the dispensation for slavery and the institution of customs between the US and Texas border (before then the Texians were able to import goods from the US duty-free); but this wasn&#039;t that important. Another was the interest of the US government to expand towards the Pacific and had sent a number of agitators to incite the population. But they had been largely unsuccessful, greatly thanks to Steve Austin who honestly believed that the future of Texas should remain as part of Mexico.

The really big causes were the dreadful contempt and complete lack of attention from the part of the Mexican government to the northern provinces and territories. Basically nothing came from central Mexico. A survey carried out in the 1820&#039;s already warned the government of this, and the dangers of not instituting better policies to make Texians feel more like Mexicans. A feeble attempt at sending more colonists from central Mexico was carried out, but completely unsuccessful.

However, the detonator, of course, was when Santa Anna took power and changed the government system from a federal to centralist, and basically handled like a dictatorship. Texas was no the only Mexican province to rebel. Chihuahua, Zacatecas, and YucatÃ¡n did as well. Only YucatÃ¡n and Texas succeeded, the first mostly because of the distance from central Mexico; the latter because of the unofficial aid it got from the US (I mean, courage is all well and good, but can only go so far). 

Sure, Mexican disorganization, lack of funds, lack of navy, and the savage and barbaric way to conduct war which both emboldened the Texians and demoralized the Mexicans (not happy at all with the situation) contributed a lot. And perhaps that&#039;s what we Mexicans don&#039;t really like about it. Not so much that we lost, but how and why we lost it. Something we need to learn to accept if we ever want to grow up as a people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Texas will always be an open wound for Mexicans. Not only because of itself but also as the first chapter of the invasion that would follow ten years later and that would end up with the loss of half our territory. There is no need to excuse or apologize for the Texian motives, though, or to doubt their honor or their word. </p>
<p>Although there were a good number of squatters, most had swore allegiance to Mexico, became Catholic and were overall good Mexican citizens. A special dispensation was made for slave ownership, since a lot of them wouldn&#8217;t have made the trip without slaves. A very important fact to keep in mind is that they had sworn allegiance to the Constitution of 1824 which made Mexico a federal republic. </p>
<p>Several factors contributed to the Texian revolution. One was the end of the dispensation for slavery and the institution of customs between the US and Texas border (before then the Texians were able to import goods from the US duty-free); but this wasn&#8217;t that important. Another was the interest of the US government to expand towards the Pacific and had sent a number of agitators to incite the population. But they had been largely unsuccessful, greatly thanks to Steve Austin who honestly believed that the future of Texas should remain as part of Mexico.</p>
<p>The really big causes were the dreadful contempt and complete lack of attention from the part of the Mexican government to the northern provinces and territories. Basically nothing came from central Mexico. A survey carried out in the 1820&#8242;s already warned the government of this, and the dangers of not instituting better policies to make Texians feel more like Mexicans. A feeble attempt at sending more colonists from central Mexico was carried out, but completely unsuccessful.</p>
<p>However, the detonator, of course, was when Santa Anna took power and changed the government system from a federal to centralist, and basically handled like a dictatorship. Texas was no the only Mexican province to rebel. Chihuahua, Zacatecas, and YucatÃ¡n did as well. Only YucatÃ¡n and Texas succeeded, the first mostly because of the distance from central Mexico; the latter because of the unofficial aid it got from the US (I mean, courage is all well and good, but can only go so far). </p>
<p>Sure, Mexican disorganization, lack of funds, lack of navy, and the savage and barbaric way to conduct war which both emboldened the Texians and demoralized the Mexicans (not happy at all with the situation) contributed a lot. And perhaps that&#8217;s what we Mexicans don&#8217;t really like about it. Not so much that we lost, but how and why we lost it. Something we need to learn to accept if we ever want to grow up as a people.</p>
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		<title>By: Austin Porter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Austin Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rommel might very well have been a great general but but I don&#039;t respect him.  Any more then I respect Stalin or Hitler because they were great leaders.  I do feel that people who put there bodies where there mouths are, who place themselves in danger based on honorable intentions deserve our respect.  We can argue about what honorable intentions are but supporting slavery is not one of them.  As to Vietnam Vets: I have  friends who volunteered and made certain they went to Vietnam to defeat Communism or liberate the south from northern aggression or what not .  I think they were misguided in their reasons for enlisting, but it took a lot of nuts to make that choice.   Some of them still think the war was worth fighting, others have changed their minds - all of them have my respect.  The kids who went over  feeling invincible, filled with piss and vinegar, wanting to kick some ass and prove how tough they were, they were young and foolish and if anything, I feel sorry for them.    As for the people who thought that Oh,l maybe I wont get drafted, maybe I wont pass my physical, maybe I wont end up in the infantry, maybe I wont end up in Vietnam, maybe I wont see combat,  I wondered how they could be so casual about their lives.  But then we were kids, stupid, and if we made the right choices back then, we were probably lucky.    I also wonder why, when we speak of bravery, we usually talk about war. The freedom riders in the early 60s, the blacks that sat in lunch counters and were beaten, they had a lot of balls to.   Being  a man, if you will, is more then muscle, it&#039;s having the courage to put your mind and muscle to work in support of what you think is an honorable cause.   And, again, honorable people can disagree about what an honorable cause is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rommel might very well have been a great general but but I don&#8217;t respect him.  Any more then I respect Stalin or Hitler because they were great leaders.  I do feel that people who put there bodies where there mouths are, who place themselves in danger based on honorable intentions deserve our respect.  We can argue about what honorable intentions are but supporting slavery is not one of them.  As to Vietnam Vets: I have  friends who volunteered and made certain they went to Vietnam to defeat Communism or liberate the south from northern aggression or what not .  I think they were misguided in their reasons for enlisting, but it took a lot of nuts to make that choice.   Some of them still think the war was worth fighting, others have changed their minds &#8211; all of them have my respect.  The kids who went over  feeling invincible, filled with piss and vinegar, wanting to kick some ass and prove how tough they were, they were young and foolish and if anything, I feel sorry for them.    As for the people who thought that Oh,l maybe I wont get drafted, maybe I wont pass my physical, maybe I wont end up in the infantry, maybe I wont end up in Vietnam, maybe I wont see combat,  I wondered how they could be so casual about their lives.  But then we were kids, stupid, and if we made the right choices back then, we were probably lucky.    I also wonder why, when we speak of bravery, we usually talk about war. The freedom riders in the early 60s, the blacks that sat in lunch counters and were beaten, they had a lot of balls to.   Being  a man, if you will, is more then muscle, it&#8217;s having the courage to put your mind and muscle to work in support of what you think is an honorable cause.   And, again, honorable people can disagree about what an honorable cause is.</p>
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