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	<title>Comments on: Discovering a Lost Genre: Safari Stories</title>
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		<title>By: ARB</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/24/discovering-a-lost-genre-safari-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-50852</link>
		<dc:creator>ARB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 17:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Hutcheson,

You seem to have left out two of my very favorite safari works: 
Death in the Long Grass, by Peter Hathaway Capstick, and

Safari, A Chronicle of Adventure by Bartle Bull.

Otherwise, fantastic post.  And for the hunting haters, consider this: whether you personally enjoy hunting or not, the best way to ensure the continued survival of animals is to put a commercial value on them.  It&#039;s not romantic, but it does align people&#039;s interests with the animals&#039;.  Appeals to altruism are much less reliable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Hutcheson,</p>
<p>You seem to have left out two of my very favorite safari works:<br />
Death in the Long Grass, by Peter Hathaway Capstick, and</p>
<p>Safari, A Chronicle of Adventure by Bartle Bull.</p>
<p>Otherwise, fantastic post.  And for the hunting haters, consider this: whether you personally enjoy hunting or not, the best way to ensure the continued survival of animals is to put a commercial value on them.  It&#8217;s not romantic, but it does align people&#8217;s interests with the animals&#8217;.  Appeals to altruism are much less reliable.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter O'Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter O'Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 15:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been on safari before, I have to admit that it alright, but not really that great.  In the Massai Mara plains of Kenya, Africa, we went out on Land Rovers and sought out cheetahs, lions, elephants, hippos, crocodiles, water buffalo, giraffes and hyenas.  Not to mention tons of zebra, impala, warthogs, ostrich, and tons of other prey animals.  It was a lot of fun the first day or so.  By the end of the second, it was just like being at the zoo.  After all, how long can you really look at animals for?  That said, I&#039;m really happy to have had the experience, but I wouldnt do it again.  I had much more fun interacting with the people in the towns and cities of Kenya.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been on safari before, I have to admit that it alright, but not really that great.  In the Massai Mara plains of Kenya, Africa, we went out on Land Rovers and sought out cheetahs, lions, elephants, hippos, crocodiles, water buffalo, giraffes and hyenas.  Not to mention tons of zebra, impala, warthogs, ostrich, and tons of other prey animals.  It was a lot of fun the first day or so.  By the end of the second, it was just like being at the zoo.  After all, how long can you really look at animals for?  That said, I&#8217;m really happy to have had the experience, but I wouldnt do it again.  I had much more fun interacting with the people in the towns and cities of Kenya.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/24/discovering-a-lost-genre-safari-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-41486</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My sentiments are very much in line with Charles. This is not about the &quot;PC crowd&quot; thinking they know best for all, some of us simply find this genre of literature to be dated and simply not very inspiring or &#039;manly&#039; in the 21st century. I don&#039;t think hunting is such an appalling act at all, but personally consider the thought of killing a magnificent animal such as a lion or elephant to be very tragic and doubt I could be inspired by literature about the subject. OTOH I love baby back ribs, and it&#039;s a common assertion that pigs are smarter than dogs- what does that make me? (I don&#039;t know if it&#039;s true or not, but have heard it a few times.) Most animals hunted down in the wild have still likely lived a far better life than any farm animal.

At the same time, I respect the viewpoints of others here. Let&#039;s not bait each other and call each other names, I think this is a respectful discussion and a worthy subject. What one man considers manly is not always going to be the same as another. I also think that the concept of &#039;manliness&#039; has become more challenging in today&#039;s world, but that&#039;s a challenge for us to take on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My sentiments are very much in line with Charles. This is not about the &#8220;PC crowd&#8221; thinking they know best for all, some of us simply find this genre of literature to be dated and simply not very inspiring or &#8216;manly&#8217; in the 21st century. I don&#8217;t think hunting is such an appalling act at all, but personally consider the thought of killing a magnificent animal such as a lion or elephant to be very tragic and doubt I could be inspired by literature about the subject. OTOH I love baby back ribs, and it&#8217;s a common assertion that pigs are smarter than dogs- what does that make me? (I don&#8217;t know if it&#8217;s true or not, but have heard it a few times.) Most animals hunted down in the wild have still likely lived a far better life than any farm animal.</p>
<p>At the same time, I respect the viewpoints of others here. Let&#8217;s not bait each other and call each other names, I think this is a respectful discussion and a worthy subject. What one man considers manly is not always going to be the same as another. I also think that the concept of &#8216;manliness&#8217; has become more challenging in today&#8217;s world, but that&#8217;s a challenge for us to take on.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/24/discovering-a-lost-genre-safari-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-23515</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reminder.  I have read a couple of these books and they were great stories.  I will find some of the other suggestions as well.  

As usual, the PC crowd thinks that they know what is best for all.  They fail to recognize that hunters and outdoorsmen make great contributions to the conservation movement around the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reminder.  I have read a couple of these books and they were great stories.  I will find some of the other suggestions as well.  </p>
<p>As usual, the PC crowd thinks that they know what is best for all.  They fail to recognize that hunters and outdoorsmen make great contributions to the conservation movement around the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read:

Crocodile Fever: A True Story of Adventure (River of Eyes) by: Lawrence Earl</description>
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<p>Crocodile Fever: A True Story of Adventure (River of Eyes) by: Lawrence Earl</p>
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		<title>By: Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 09:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a licensed nuisance alligator hunter and a licensed nuisance wildlife control operator, and the next time I go on call where there&#039;s an alligator that won&#039;t take a line, I invite some of the crybabies here to come along and explain to me how &quot;unmanly&quot; it is while you are kicking mud in five feet of water trying to find an alligator that had to be shot 20 yards from the bank.  

I kinda expect that my invitation will go unaccepted, if for nothing else but the fact that under five feet of water, their little silky lace panties may get wet.

Hunt hard.

Shoot straight.

Make no apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a licensed nuisance alligator hunter and a licensed nuisance wildlife control operator, and the next time I go on call where there&#8217;s an alligator that won&#8217;t take a line, I invite some of the crybabies here to come along and explain to me how &#8220;unmanly&#8221; it is while you are kicking mud in five feet of water trying to find an alligator that had to be shot 20 yards from the bank.  </p>
<p>I kinda expect that my invitation will go unaccepted, if for nothing else but the fact that under five feet of water, their little silky lace panties may get wet.</p>
<p>Hunt hard.</p>
<p>Shoot straight.</p>
<p>Make no apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/24/discovering-a-lost-genre-safari-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-23137</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 06:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to see a similar article focused on arctic and antarctic adventures. I recently read &quot;Endurance: Shackleton&#039;s Incredible Voyage&quot; by Alfred Lansing (1959) and it was tremendous. I&#039;ve done a little looking around but I haven&#039;t yet been able to find another highly recommended arctic/antarctic story.

If anyone has any ideas, I would love to hear them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see a similar article focused on arctic and antarctic adventures. I recently read &#8220;Endurance: Shackleton&#8217;s Incredible Voyage&#8221; by Alfred Lansing (1959) and it was tremendous. I&#8217;ve done a little looking around but I haven&#8217;t yet been able to find another highly recommended arctic/antarctic story.</p>
<p>If anyone has any ideas, I would love to hear them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 00:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s one other point that gets lost.  Hunting represents a tremendous amount of revenue for these countries.  We&#039;re talking several hundred dollars per day - and if you&#039;re after lion or elephant, you can&#039;t get a license (for several thousand non-refundable dollars) without booking a full month on safari.  It provides employment to the locals, sustenance for their families, and gives value to land and game.  Without it, everything gets put to the plow.

Not to mention that they are fantastic adventure stories.  Capstick is nothing short of brilliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s one other point that gets lost.  Hunting represents a tremendous amount of revenue for these countries.  We&#8217;re talking several hundred dollars per day &#8211; and if you&#8217;re after lion or elephant, you can&#8217;t get a license (for several thousand non-refundable dollars) without booking a full month on safari.  It provides employment to the locals, sustenance for their families, and gives value to land and game.  Without it, everything gets put to the plow.</p>
<p>Not to mention that they are fantastic adventure stories.  Capstick is nothing short of brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: maya</title>
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		<dc:creator>maya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would just like to challenge David C&#039;s assertion that hunting can be a form of charity for local village people in Africa. While I cant comment on the validity of the idea that the hunted animals were pushing these villages to the brink of extinction (although...seriously?), I struggle to see how using up vast tracts of land in the service of game lodges helps to sustain local populations. In South Africa, for example, many local communities have been pushed off or marginalised from their land by game lodges, who take up most of the local farmable resources as well as the water and privatize them. Additionally, thinking that the odd &#039;charity&#039; from a foreign hunter helps to sustain these local populations is pretty condescending. Wouldnt it be more manly to allow them to regulate their own environments and be fully empowered? 

Secondly, the tracking methods and mathematical modeling currently being used by those who monitor animal populations (including elephant populations) are actually now being challenged by many environmentalists. There is work being done to refine the process and bring it into the 21st century and the bad news is that elephant populations have been grossly exaggerated for quite some time now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would just like to challenge David C&#8217;s assertion that hunting can be a form of charity for local village people in Africa. While I cant comment on the validity of the idea that the hunted animals were pushing these villages to the brink of extinction (although&#8230;seriously?), I struggle to see how using up vast tracts of land in the service of game lodges helps to sustain local populations. In South Africa, for example, many local communities have been pushed off or marginalised from their land by game lodges, who take up most of the local farmable resources as well as the water and privatize them. Additionally, thinking that the odd &#8216;charity&#8217; from a foreign hunter helps to sustain these local populations is pretty condescending. Wouldnt it be more manly to allow them to regulate their own environments and be fully empowered? </p>
<p>Secondly, the tracking methods and mathematical modeling currently being used by those who monitor animal populations (including elephant populations) are actually now being challenged by many environmentalists. There is work being done to refine the process and bring it into the 21st century and the bad news is that elephant populations have been grossly exaggerated for quite some time now.</p>
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		<title>By: David C.</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/24/discovering-a-lost-genre-safari-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-23121</link>
		<dc:creator>David C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two things:

First, very good post highlighting some fine literature.  Great work.

Second, to echo what Brian said, the notion that safaris in foreign lands are conducted solely for the purpose of achieving a trophy-kill is incorrect.  It is illegal to transport meat harvested in Africa back to America (and to many other countries, from what I understand).  As a result, most--if not all--of the game killed in Africa is donated to the local citizens.  

Many of the citizens who benefit from this are very poor, hard-working, under-nourished people who often lack the means to effectively hunt and kill large game on their own.  Additionally, oftentimes the animals harvested on safari are &quot;problem&quot; animals who have either begun attacking humans, destroyed local crops (which are lifeline keeping many poor villages alive), or otherwise become a serious threat.  Hunting these animals and donating their meat to the local population is a form of charity that helps sustain many needy people, and I consider that very manly.

So, spineless poachers notwithstanding, the literature referenced in this post + the adventure of going on safari  = very manly, in my book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two things:</p>
<p>First, very good post highlighting some fine literature.  Great work.</p>
<p>Second, to echo what Brian said, the notion that safaris in foreign lands are conducted solely for the purpose of achieving a trophy-kill is incorrect.  It is illegal to transport meat harvested in Africa back to America (and to many other countries, from what I understand).  As a result, most&#8211;if not all&#8211;of the game killed in Africa is donated to the local citizens.  </p>
<p>Many of the citizens who benefit from this are very poor, hard-working, under-nourished people who often lack the means to effectively hunt and kill large game on their own.  Additionally, oftentimes the animals harvested on safari are &#8220;problem&#8221; animals who have either begun attacking humans, destroyed local crops (which are lifeline keeping many poor villages alive), or otherwise become a serious threat.  Hunting these animals and donating their meat to the local population is a form of charity that helps sustain many needy people, and I consider that very manly.</p>
<p>So, spineless poachers notwithstanding, the literature referenced in this post + the adventure of going on safari  = very manly, in my book.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul-Joseph Stines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul-Joseph Stines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I also suggest reading &quot;Hunting the Hard Way&quot; by reknown archer Howard Hill. Howard is an icon in the archery world having done all the archery stunts for many of the movies of the 1930s and 49s including Errol Flynn&#039;s famous film &quot;The Adventures of Robin Hood.&quot;  Howard took over 2,000 animals on his safaris - all with a bow and arrow and was the first man to ever take a full grown elephant with a bow. His book &quot;Hunting the Hard Way&quot; detailing his own hunting adventures was a best seller in the 1950s and has been reprinted several times. There have also been numerous books written about the man and his exploits. 

A good way to learn about Howard Hill and his exploits is to check out the website,
http://www.howardhillarchery.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I also suggest reading &#8220;Hunting the Hard Way&#8221; by reknown archer Howard Hill. Howard is an icon in the archery world having done all the archery stunts for many of the movies of the 1930s and 49s including Errol Flynn&#8217;s famous film &#8220;The Adventures of Robin Hood.&#8221;  Howard took over 2,000 animals on his safaris &#8211; all with a bow and arrow and was the first man to ever take a full grown elephant with a bow. His book &#8220;Hunting the Hard Way&#8221; detailing his own hunting adventures was a best seller in the 1950s and has been reprinted several times. There have also been numerous books written about the man and his exploits. </p>
<p>A good way to learn about Howard Hill and his exploits is to check out the website,<br />
<a href="http://www.howardhillarchery.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.howardhillarchery.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/24/discovering-a-lost-genre-safari-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-23112</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brett,

&quot;Classifying safari hunting as a â€œterrible thing,â€ is interesting, but a debate for another day. What I question is such a narrow-minded avoidance of any literature that speaks of things with which you disagree or find distasteful. Should we not read books about WWII because war is a terrible thing? Because they glorify war? Is there no reason to read Mein Kamp or the Communist Manifesto if you deeply disagree with their contexts and arguments? Should we avoid any literature of the past because it may glorify attitudes and behaviors that are now deemed unacceptable? I would hope not. That would certainly eliminate a wide swath of the greatest books in history. I would hope that a man could read a wide range of things, dark things and light things, books with which he agrees and disagrees, and take the good things from those books and leave the bad. That a man could read stories of bygone safaris and be inspired to journey to Africa not with a gun, but with a camera. That a man could read a book about war and be both inspired by the stories of courage but disgusted by the violence. I would hope that such a level of maturity would not be too much to ask for among today&#039;s men.&quot;

There&#039;s a difference between saying that one should be exposed to a wide variety of experiences through books (I have made my students read slaveholder speeches and Nazi writings) and holding up a particular genre as a way to vicariously participate in (what the article calls) a &quot;great adventure.&quot; 

You could point to, say, military literature, and say that this is something from which men can learn about courage and comradeship. But if your examples were the sacking of an undefended town, or the massacre of some weaker foe, people would correctly say you&#039;re glorifying those causes. 

If, to use an earlier example, this was about dogfighting or bear-baiting, and how powerful the winning dogs are, and how their tenacity and strength should be a model to any man, would you still think that we should just take the good from that, and ignore the bad?

Or to use another example. You know who was manly? The great slave-holders of the antebellum South. They were powerful and responsible for the well-being of dozens or hundreds of dependents. Many adhered to, even based their lives on, notions of honor and gentility. But if tomorrow somebody posted an article describing how men should learn from the example of southern patriarchs, I think (or hope) your tune would be different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brett,</p>
<p>&#8220;Classifying safari hunting as a â€œterrible thing,â€ is interesting, but a debate for another day. What I question is such a narrow-minded avoidance of any literature that speaks of things with which you disagree or find distasteful. Should we not read books about WWII because war is a terrible thing? Because they glorify war? Is there no reason to read Mein Kamp or the Communist Manifesto if you deeply disagree with their contexts and arguments? Should we avoid any literature of the past because it may glorify attitudes and behaviors that are now deemed unacceptable? I would hope not. That would certainly eliminate a wide swath of the greatest books in history. I would hope that a man could read a wide range of things, dark things and light things, books with which he agrees and disagrees, and take the good things from those books and leave the bad. That a man could read stories of bygone safaris and be inspired to journey to Africa not with a gun, but with a camera. That a man could read a book about war and be both inspired by the stories of courage but disgusted by the violence. I would hope that such a level of maturity would not be too much to ask for among today&#8217;s men.&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a difference between saying that one should be exposed to a wide variety of experiences through books (I have made my students read slaveholder speeches and Nazi writings) and holding up a particular genre as a way to vicariously participate in (what the article calls) a &#8220;great adventure.&#8221; </p>
<p>You could point to, say, military literature, and say that this is something from which men can learn about courage and comradeship. But if your examples were the sacking of an undefended town, or the massacre of some weaker foe, people would correctly say you&#8217;re glorifying those causes. </p>
<p>If, to use an earlier example, this was about dogfighting or bear-baiting, and how powerful the winning dogs are, and how their tenacity and strength should be a model to any man, would you still think that we should just take the good from that, and ignore the bad?</p>
<p>Or to use another example. You know who was manly? The great slave-holders of the antebellum South. They were powerful and responsible for the well-being of dozens or hundreds of dependents. Many adhered to, even based their lives on, notions of honor and gentility. But if tomorrow somebody posted an article describing how men should learn from the example of southern patriarchs, I think (or hope) your tune would be different.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/24/discovering-a-lost-genre-safari-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-23107</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Charles-

&quot;After all, there is a great deal of interesting literature that glorifies terrible things, and you can&#039;t separate them. &quot;

Classifying safari hunting as a &quot;terrible thing,&quot; is interesting, but a debate for another day. What I question is such a narrow-minded avoidance of any literature that speaks of things with which you disagree or find distasteful. Should we not read books about WWII because war is a terrible thing? Because they glorify war? Is there no reason to read Mein Kamp or the Communist Manifesto if you deeply disagree with their contexts and arguments? Should we avoid any literature of the past because it may glorify attitudes and behaviors that are now deemed unacceptable? I would hope not. That would certainly eliminate a wide swath of the greatest books in history. I would hope that a man could read a wide range of things, dark things and light things, books with which he agrees and disagrees, and take the good things from those books and leave the bad. That a man could read stories of bygone safaris and be inspired to journey to Africa not with a gun, but with a camera. That a man could read a book about war and be both inspired by the stories of courage but disgusted by the violence. I would hope that such a level of maturity would not be too much to ask for among today&#039;s men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Charles-</p>
<p>&#8220;After all, there is a great deal of interesting literature that glorifies terrible things, and you can&#8217;t separate them. &#8221;</p>
<p>Classifying safari hunting as a &#8220;terrible thing,&#8221; is interesting, but a debate for another day. What I question is such a narrow-minded avoidance of any literature that speaks of things with which you disagree or find distasteful. Should we not read books about WWII because war is a terrible thing? Because they glorify war? Is there no reason to read Mein Kamp or the Communist Manifesto if you deeply disagree with their contexts and arguments? Should we avoid any literature of the past because it may glorify attitudes and behaviors that are now deemed unacceptable? I would hope not. That would certainly eliminate a wide swath of the greatest books in history. I would hope that a man could read a wide range of things, dark things and light things, books with which he agrees and disagrees, and take the good things from those books and leave the bad. That a man could read stories of bygone safaris and be inspired to journey to Africa not with a gun, but with a camera. That a man could read a book about war and be both inspired by the stories of courage but disgusted by the violence. I would hope that such a level of maturity would not be too much to ask for among today&#8217;s men.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Throne</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/24/discovering-a-lost-genre-safari-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-23106</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Throne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 07:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the opponenets of hunting and the overly PC folks who commented.  Please note that the vast majority of the works mentioned were written prior to 1960.  For example, the Maneaters of Tsavo is a 19th century work.  Hemingway and Ruark have been dead since the Kennedy Administration.  The authors describe events dating from the 1950&#039;s and earlier.  Read The Green Hills of Africa...the quest is all.  You do have to put up with Papa Hemingway&#039;s uber-machismo, but there&#039;s a lot to be gleaned from the book.  Ruark&#039;s Horn of the Hunter and Use Enough Gun are quite practical, leavened with more humor than Papa and eminently readable.  I admit to a long-lasting affection for Ruark that began when I first read his memoir, The Old Man and the Boy about 40-odd years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the opponenets of hunting and the overly PC folks who commented.  Please note that the vast majority of the works mentioned were written prior to 1960.  For example, the Maneaters of Tsavo is a 19th century work.  Hemingway and Ruark have been dead since the Kennedy Administration.  The authors describe events dating from the 1950&#8217;s and earlier.  Read The Green Hills of Africa&#8230;the quest is all.  You do have to put up with Papa Hemingway&#8217;s uber-machismo, but there&#8217;s a lot to be gleaned from the book.  Ruark&#8217;s Horn of the Hunter and Use Enough Gun are quite practical, leavened with more humor than Papa and eminently readable.  I admit to a long-lasting affection for Ruark that began when I first read his memoir, The Old Man and the Boy about 40-odd years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/24/discovering-a-lost-genre-safari-stories/comment-page-1/#comment-23099</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 03:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The density of some commenters never fails to amaze me. I don&#039;t see anything in this article encouraging men to go out and slaughter animals. It&#039;s about a genre of literature. It&#039;s about reading! I would think any liberal animal lover could get behind books!&quot;

While I must obviously not be as sharp as you are, I still think that the complaints against this post are justified. After all, there is a great deal of interesting literature that glorifies terrible things, and you can&#039;t separate them. The context is an important aspect of what they&#039;re recommending. For example, what if we got a post about the manly art of rhetoric, and it was people making capable, reasoned arguments for some sort of evil or harmful cause (what cause I&#039;ll leave up to the reader, to avoid any additional controversy)? 

&quot;While I greatly appreciate the passionate comments of many of you in protest to this article, I ask you to consider what shortstack and Brucifer have already pointed out, that this article is written in praise of the literature and not the sport.&quot;

Again, I don&#039;t know that you can keep the two apart. I mean, I imagine dogfighting or cockfighting are very exciting and in their ways manly sports, but you&#039;d rightly be appalled at a post that used bear-baiting or something like that as its basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The density of some commenters never fails to amaze me. I don&#8217;t see anything in this article encouraging men to go out and slaughter animals. It&#8217;s about a genre of literature. It&#8217;s about reading! I would think any liberal animal lover could get behind books!&#8221;</p>
<p>While I must obviously not be as sharp as you are, I still think that the complaints against this post are justified. After all, there is a great deal of interesting literature that glorifies terrible things, and you can&#8217;t separate them. The context is an important aspect of what they&#8217;re recommending. For example, what if we got a post about the manly art of rhetoric, and it was people making capable, reasoned arguments for some sort of evil or harmful cause (what cause I&#8217;ll leave up to the reader, to avoid any additional controversy)? </p>
<p>&#8220;While I greatly appreciate the passionate comments of many of you in protest to this article, I ask you to consider what shortstack and Brucifer have already pointed out, that this article is written in praise of the literature and not the sport.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, I don&#8217;t know that you can keep the two apart. I mean, I imagine dogfighting or cockfighting are very exciting and in their ways manly sports, but you&#8217;d rightly be appalled at a post that used bear-baiting or something like that as its basis.</p>
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