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]]> By: Joe http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/22/clip-the-tip-pointcounterpoint-on-male-circumcision/comment-page-4/#comment-23093 Joe Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:29:34 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=1760#comment-23093 @Lee - That is just fine. But it doesn't quite work for those who suffered significant complication from it. It happens more often than you think. @Lee – That is just fine. But it doesn’t quite work for those who suffered significant complication from it. It happens more often than you think.

]]> By: Eric http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/22/clip-the-tip-pointcounterpoint-on-male-circumcision/comment-page-4/#comment-23092 Eric Thu, 26 Feb 2009 00:09:14 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=1760#comment-23092 It seems that the people who are in favor of infant circumcision tend to be women and circumcised men. We rarely ever hear of any uncut men in favor of infant circumcision. I think that says enough about the validity (or lack thereof) of so-called "health benefits" of routine infant circumcision. Some women may prefer a circumcised penis because it looks cleaner. In my opinion, that's no different from a man saying a vagina is dirty. We need to have a mature attitude about genitalia and realize that what is natural is normal. If nature/God had intended men not to have foreskin, then men wouldn't be born with foreskin. It seems that the people who are in favor of infant circumcision tend to be women and circumcised men. We rarely ever hear of any uncut men in favor of infant circumcision. I think that says enough about the validity (or lack thereof) of so-called “health benefits” of routine infant circumcision.

Some women may prefer a circumcised penis because it looks cleaner. In my opinion, that’s no different from a man saying a vagina is dirty. We need to have a mature attitude about genitalia and realize that what is natural is normal. If nature/God had intended men not to have foreskin, then men wouldn’t be born with foreskin.

]]> By: Bob http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/22/clip-the-tip-pointcounterpoint-on-male-circumcision/comment-page-4/#comment-23090 Bob Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:33:15 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=1760#comment-23090 this is what the Butchers actually do... Circumcision What Is Lost? http://mothersagainstcirc.org/lost.html "To make an informed choice, parents of all male infants should be given accurate and unbiased information." Circumcision Policy Statement American Academy of Pediatrics March 1, 1999 When a baby boy's normal intact penis is circumcised, this is what is lost -- forever: *1. The foreskin, which comprises up to 50% (sometimes more) of the mobile skin system of the penis. If unfolded and spread out flat, the average adult foreskin would measure about 15 square inches (the size of a 3 x 5-inch index card). This highly specialized tissue normally covers the glans and protects it from abrasion, drying, callusing (keratinization), and contaminants of all kinds. The effect of glans keratinization on human sexuality has never been studied. *2. The frenar band of soft ridges -- the primary erogenous zone of the male body. Loss of this delicate belt of densely innervated, sexually responsive tissue reduces the fullness and intensity of sexual response. *3. The foreskin's "gliding action"-- the hallmark mechanical feature of the normal, natural, intact penis. This non-abrasive gliding of the penis in and out of itself within the vagina facilitates smooth, comfortable, pleasurable intercourse for both partners. Without this gliding action, the corona of the circumcised penis can function as a one-way valve, scraping vaginal lubricants out into the drying air and making artificial lubricants essential for pleasurable intercourse. *4. Thousands of coiled fine-touch mechanoreceptors called Meissner's corpuscles, the most important sensory component of the foreskin, encapsulated Vater-Pacinian cells, Merkel's cells, nociceptors, and branches of the dorsal nerve and perineal nerve. Altogether, between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types, which can feel slight motion and stretch, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations in texture are lost. *5. The frenulum, the highly erogenous V-shaped web-like tethering structure on the underside of the glans; frequently amputated along with the foreskin, or severed, either of which destroys its function and potential for pleasure. 6. Approximately half of the temperature-sensitive smooth muscle sheath called the dartos fascia. 7. The immunological defense system of the soft mucosa. This produces both plasma cells that secrete immunoglobulin antibodies and antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as the pathogen-killing enzyme lysozyme. 8. Lymphatic vessels, the loss of which reduces the lymph flow within that part of the body's immune system. 9. Estrogen receptors - the purpose of which is not yet fully understood and needs further study. *10. The apocrine glands of the inner foreskin, which produce pheromones - nature's powerful, silent, invisible behavioral signals to potential sexual partners. The effect of their absence on human sexuality has never been studied. *11. Sebaceous glands, which lubricate and moisturize the foreskin and glans, normally a protected internal organ - like the tongue or vagina. 12. Specialized epithelial Langerhans cells, a first line component of the body's immune system in a whole penis. 13. The pink to red to dark purple natural coloration of the glans. The connective tissue which protectively fuses the foreskin and glans together while the penis develops is ripped apart during circumcision, wounding the glans and the foreskin remnant, leaving them raw and subject to infection, scarring, pitting, shrinkage, and eventual discoloration. *14. Some of the penis length and penis circumference because its double-layered wrapping of loose and usually overhanging foreskin is now missing, making the circumcised penis truncated and thinner than a full-sized intact penis. *15. Several feet of blood vessels, including the frenular artery and branches of the dorsal artery. The loss of this rich vascularity interrupts normal blood flow to the shaft and glans of the penis, damaging the natural function of the penis and altering its development. 16. Every year boys lose their entire penises from circumcision accidents and infections. They are then "sexually reassigned" by castration and "transgender surgery," and expected to live their lives as "females." 17. Every year many boys lose their lives from the complications of circumcision, a fact the billion-dollar-a-year circumcision industry in the U.S. obscures and ignores. 18. By encoding violence on the brain the infant's bonding with its mother is disrupted, with indications that the innate sense of trust in intimate physical contact is inhibited or lost, and in its place a sense of betrayal is instilled in the infant. (*19. Although never studied scientifically, contemporary evidence suggests that a penis without its foreskin lacks the capacity for the subtle neurological "cross-communication" that occurs only during contact between mucous membranes and which contributes to the experience of sexual pleasure. Amputating an infant boy's multi-functional foreskin is a "low-grade neurological castration" [Immerman], which diminishes the intensity of the entire sexual experience for both the circumcised male and his partner.) *Loss of each of these items reduces sexual pleasure, gratification, and fulfillment. Immerman, R. S. and Mackey, W.C., "A Proposed Relationship Between Circumcision and Neural Reorganization," J of Genetic Psych, 1998. Immerman, R. S. and Mackey, W. C., "A biocultural analysis of circumcision," Social Biology 1998;4:265-275 Compiled by Gary L. Harryman glharryman@aol.com 4/6/99 - Last Revision 5/25/99 See Also: Glossary Return to Mothers Against Circumcision Homepage this is what the Butchers actually do…
Circumcision
What Is Lost?
http://mothersagainstcirc.org/lost.html
“To make an informed choice, parents of all male infants
should be given accurate and unbiased information.”
Circumcision Policy Statement
American Academy of Pediatrics
March 1, 1999
When a baby boy’s normal intact penis is circumcised, this is what is lost — forever:
*1. The foreskin, which comprises up to 50% (sometimes more) of the mobile skin system of the penis. If unfolded and spread out flat, the average adult foreskin would measure about 15 square inches (the size of a 3 x 5-inch index card). This highly specialized tissue normally covers the glans and protects it from abrasion, drying, callusing (keratinization), and contaminants of all kinds. The effect of glans keratinization on human sexuality has never been studied.
*2. The frenar band of soft ridges — the primary erogenous zone of the male body. Loss of this delicate belt of densely innervated, sexually responsive tissue reduces the fullness and intensity of sexual response.
*3. The foreskin’s “gliding action”– the hallmark mechanical feature of the normal, natural, intact penis. This non-abrasive gliding of the penis in and out of itself within the vagina facilitates smooth, comfortable, pleasurable intercourse for both partners. Without this gliding action, the corona of the circumcised penis can function as a one-way valve, scraping vaginal lubricants out into the drying air and making artificial lubricants essential for pleasurable intercourse.
*4. Thousands of coiled fine-touch mechanoreceptors called Meissner’s corpuscles, the most important sensory component of the foreskin, encapsulated Vater-Pacinian cells, Merkel’s cells, nociceptors, and branches of the dorsal nerve and perineal nerve. Altogether, between 10,000 and 20,000 specialized erotogenic nerve endings of several types, which can feel slight motion and stretch, subtle changes in temperature, and fine gradations in texture are lost.
*5. The frenulum, the highly erogenous V-shaped web-like tethering structure on the underside of the glans; frequently amputated along with the foreskin, or severed, either of which destroys its function and potential for pleasure.
6. Approximately half of the temperature-sensitive smooth muscle sheath called the dartos fascia.
7. The immunological defense system of the soft mucosa. This produces both plasma cells that secrete immunoglobulin antibodies and antibacterial and antiviral proteins such as the pathogen-killing enzyme lysozyme.
8. Lymphatic vessels, the loss of which reduces the lymph flow within that part of the body’s immune system.
9. Estrogen receptors – the purpose of which is not yet fully understood and needs further study.

*10. The apocrine glands of the inner foreskin, which produce pheromones – nature’s powerful, silent, invisible behavioral signals to potential sexual partners. The effect of their absence on human sexuality has never been studied.
*11. Sebaceous glands, which lubricate and moisturize the foreskin and glans, normally a protected internal organ – like the tongue or vagina.
12. Specialized epithelial Langerhans cells, a first line component of the body’s immune system in a whole penis.
13. The pink to red to dark purple natural coloration of the glans. The connective tissue which protectively fuses the foreskin and glans together while the penis develops is ripped apart during circumcision, wounding the glans and the foreskin remnant, leaving them raw and subject to infection, scarring, pitting, shrinkage, and eventual discoloration.
*14. Some of the penis length and penis circumference because its double-layered wrapping of loose and usually overhanging foreskin is now missing, making the circumcised penis truncated and thinner than a full-sized intact penis.
*15. Several feet of blood vessels, including the frenular artery and branches of the dorsal artery. The loss of this rich vascularity interrupts normal blood flow to the shaft and glans of the penis, damaging the natural function of the penis and altering its development.
16. Every year boys lose their entire penises from circumcision accidents and infections. They are then “sexually reassigned” by castration and “transgender surgery,” and expected to live their lives as “females.”
17. Every year many boys lose their lives from the complications of circumcision, a fact the billion-dollar-a-year circumcision industry in the U.S. obscures and ignores.
18. By encoding violence on the brain the infant’s bonding with its mother is disrupted, with indications that the innate sense of trust in intimate physical contact is inhibited or lost, and in its place a sense of betrayal is instilled in the infant.
(*19. Although never studied scientifically, contemporary evidence suggests that a penis without its foreskin lacks the capacity for the subtle neurological “cross-communication” that occurs only during contact between mucous membranes and which contributes to the experience of sexual pleasure. Amputating an infant boy’s multi-functional foreskin is a “low-grade neurological castration” [Immerman], which diminishes the intensity of the entire sexual experience for both the circumcised male and his partner.)

*Loss of each of these items reduces sexual pleasure, gratification, and fulfillment.
Immerman, R. S. and Mackey, W.C., “A Proposed Relationship Between Circumcision and Neural Reorganization,” J of Genetic Psych, 1998.
Immerman, R. S. and Mackey, W. C., “A biocultural analysis of circumcision,” Social Biology 1998;4:265-275

Compiled by Gary L. Harryman glharryman@aol.com
4/6/99 – Last Revision 5/25/99

See Also: Glossary
Return to Mothers Against Circumcision Homepage

]]> By: Lee http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/22/clip-the-tip-pointcounterpoint-on-male-circumcision/comment-page-4/#comment-23089 Lee Wed, 25 Feb 2009 23:15:33 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=1760#comment-23089 Honestly, I really don't care either way on this topic. I am circumsised and have friends who are and are not. Heck, I remember one night a bunch of us were sitting around a campfire when someone broached the topic as they ran into the protesters of circumsision. None of us had even heard that this was such a big deal. We talked and laughed about it, listedn as we were told the reasons against circumsision and honestly still didn't care. The tip of my penis does not define me as a man. I can still get hard, I still have immense pleasure and can pleasure my woman. There is not a single part of me that does not work and that I do not enjoy. I am not less of a man and I think nothing less of my father. Sorry, but if you are one of those that can only define yourself by whether you have some skin over your penis or not, you really aren't much of a man to begin with. I just can't care about this topic. Honestly, I really don’t care either way on this topic. I am circumsised and have friends who are and are not. Heck, I remember one night a bunch of us were sitting around a campfire when someone broached the topic as they ran into the protesters of circumsision. None of us had even heard that this was such a big deal. We talked and laughed about it, listedn as we were told the reasons against circumsision and honestly still didn’t care.

The tip of my penis does not define me as a man. I can still get hard, I still have immense pleasure and can pleasure my woman. There is not a single part of me that does not work and that I do not enjoy. I am not less of a man and I think nothing less of my father.

Sorry, but if you are one of those that can only define yourself by whether you have some skin over your penis or not, you really aren’t much of a man to begin with.

I just can’t care about this topic.

]]> By: Robert Samson http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/22/clip-the-tip-pointcounterpoint-on-male-circumcision/comment-page-4/#comment-23087 Robert Samson Wed, 25 Feb 2009 21:27:27 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=1760#comment-23087 "Well I have a child on the way and my wife and I both agree if it is a boy he will be circumcised. Our basis for this was disease. The studies showing that it is harder to contract HIV just made up our mind." You do know that these studies claiming this were seriously flawed, and that this reduction is not seen in the real world--in fact, the opposite? One needs to critically analyze any claim for a benefit for circumcision. Over the 100+ years of these claims of benefits, and not a single one has stood. This track record speaks volumes. “Well I have a child on the way and my wife and I both agree if it is a boy he will be circumcised. Our basis for this was disease. The studies showing that it is harder to contract HIV just made up our mind.”

You do know that these studies claiming this were seriously flawed, and that this reduction is not seen in the real world–in fact, the opposite? One needs to critically analyze any claim for a benefit for circumcision. Over the 100+ years of these claims of benefits, and not a single one has stood. This track record speaks volumes.

]]> By: Mork http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/22/clip-the-tip-pointcounterpoint-on-male-circumcision/comment-page-4/#comment-23086 Mork Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:19:56 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=1760#comment-23086 Just a point on the argument about 'looking like your dad.' I'm circumcised and my dad is too. But if I have a son, I don't think I will circumcise him. I don't feel a need to have him look like me in that way. And even if I did, that wouldn't seem like a good enough reason. It's part of parenting to respond to your kid's questions with age-appropriate answers. So when a son asks a father why his dinger looks different, the father should tell him the age-appropriate truth. Like, "I was born in a country where they do that..." Or "Back then it was normal to do that, now it isn't so much." The kid will be on to other questions in no time, like why yours is hairy and his isn't. And then you give another age-appropriate answer to that. Incidently, I grew up in a country where I was the only circumcised boy around. I asked my dad about it and he told me, "They don't circumcise here as much as in America." That was good enough for me. Just a point on the argument about ‘looking like your dad.’ I’m circumcised and my dad is too. But if I have a son, I don’t think I will circumcise him. I don’t feel a need to have him look like me in that way. And even if I did, that wouldn’t seem like a good enough reason. It’s part of parenting to respond to your kid’s questions with age-appropriate answers. So when a son asks a father why his dinger looks different, the father should tell him the age-appropriate truth. Like, “I was born in a country where they do that…” Or “Back then it was normal to do that, now it isn’t so much.” The kid will be on to other questions in no time, like why yours is hairy and his isn’t. And then you give another age-appropriate answer to that. Incidently, I grew up in a country where I was the only circumcised boy around. I asked my dad about it and he told me, “They don’t circumcise here as much as in America.” That was good enough for me.

]]> By: Eric http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/22/clip-the-tip-pointcounterpoint-on-male-circumcision/comment-page-4/#comment-23084 Eric Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:55:18 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=1760#comment-23084 Regarding any studies that supposedly show that it's harder to get a disease when circumcised, I have to question that argument. I don't really see how removal of the foreskin would make it any harder to get HIV or penile cancer. If you're really concerned about getting a disease, you can use a condom, or don't have sex; I think removal of the foreskin is going a little too far. Regarding any studies that supposedly show that it’s harder to get a disease when circumcised, I have to question that argument. I don’t really see how removal of the foreskin would make it any harder to get HIV or penile cancer. If you’re really concerned about getting a disease, you can use a condom, or don’t have sex; I think removal of the foreskin is going a little too far.

]]> By: Ian http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/22/clip-the-tip-pointcounterpoint-on-male-circumcision/comment-page-4/#comment-23083 Ian Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:40:13 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=1760#comment-23083 Well I have a child on the way and my wife and I both agree if it is a boy he will be circumcised. Our basis for this was disease. The studies showing that it is harder to contract HIV just made up our mind. Well I have a child on the way and my wife and I both agree if it is a boy he will be circumcised. Our basis for this was disease. The studies showing that it is harder to contract HIV just made up our mind.

]]> By: miss morgan potts http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/22/clip-the-tip-pointcounterpoint-on-male-circumcision/comment-page-3/#comment-23079 miss morgan potts Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:44:26 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=1760#comment-23079 Though my current boyfriend is circumcised, I consider the procedure to be unnecessary and purely cosmetic. Just as female circumcision is rooted in tradition and outdated notions about sex (myths about masturbation, for example), so is male circumcision. I've been with both circumcised and uncircumcised men, and cosmetically neither is more appealing than the other so long as it's clean. Performance is far more important than whether or not the foreskin is intact. Though my current boyfriend is circumcised, I consider the procedure to be unnecessary and purely cosmetic. Just as female circumcision is rooted in tradition and outdated notions about sex (myths about masturbation, for example), so is male circumcision.

I’ve been with both circumcised and uncircumcised men, and cosmetically neither is more appealing than the other so long as it’s clean. Performance is far more important than whether or not the foreskin is intact.

]]> By: cristof http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/22/clip-the-tip-pointcounterpoint-on-male-circumcision/comment-page-3/#comment-23076 cristof Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:01:04 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=1760#comment-23076 i am a filipino-american in my early 20's. as a filipino tradition boys are circumcised in their early adolescent years as a rites of passage into manhood. i honestly got caught up into the whole thing and when i was a teenager i had the procedure done. i wish i didn't though. i feel a big part of me is missing. and it's so true about the sensitivity. and the more i think about why i did the process was all really pointless. when i have sons i'm opting to not have them go through it. i am a filipino-american in my early 20’s. as a filipino tradition boys are circumcised in their early adolescent years as a rites of passage into manhood. i honestly got caught up into the whole thing and when i was a teenager i had the procedure done.

i wish i didn’t though. i feel a big part of me is missing. and it’s so true about the sensitivity. and the more i think about why i did the process was all really pointless.

when i have sons i’m opting to not have them go through it.

]]> By: John R http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/22/clip-the-tip-pointcounterpoint-on-male-circumcision/comment-page-3/#comment-23074 John R Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:39:56 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=1760#comment-23074 I say this {like the old Purina Dog Chow commercial} "Wonderbar!" Being circumcised "makes me very happy" :) I say this {like the old Purina Dog Chow commercial}

“Wonderbar!”
Being circumcised “makes me very happy” :)

]]> By: Bob http://artofmanliness.com/2009/02/22/clip-the-tip-pointcounterpoint-on-male-circumcision/comment-page-3/#comment-23068 Bob Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:27:23 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=1760#comment-23068 This is a email from a young fellow advising what had happened to him and the following email he sent to his father. For all you people who circumcised their sons against the advice of every medical organisation in the world, but quite happy to run on the lies of circumcisers, I only hope your sons think so endearing of you when they are old enough to articulate it. email 1.. as some of you may know, today is my 18th birthday. so a couple of minutes ago i was unwrapping some presents. the first one was "i am america and so can you" which i've been wanting to get. so i reached for the second one and when i opened it i got the crap scared out of me. out of some extremely weird coincidence they got me a book entitled "foreskin's lament"... they have no idea about what i'm doing or how much i resent them for doing what they did, so when i opened it i started sweating and shaking like crazy. so i was wondering "have they found out?" but no, they explained to me that it's a funny book that they think i would like. i couldn't believe it but there it was. i wanted to jump up and scream at them for even mentioning the word, but instead i just came up to my room, and now here i am, in my room. i just couldn't believe it. i just sent my dad an email, he'll probably get it tomorrow at work. here is what i said.................................... you and mom just went up the hill on a dogwalk, and i'm sitting here and i decided to write this message. i'm tired of keeping this secret from you and right now i don't know weather or not it's still a secret. that book that you got me could have been a coincidence or it could be you trying to tell me that you know what's wrong with me, honestly i have no idea what it is. i've been trying to tell you since i found out back in February but i've found myself completely unable to do it. i found that it's easier to say it through an email and not strait to your faces. so what is it that i'm talking about? well i'm sure that you have figured it out already but i'll go ahead and say it anyways. i found out that i was circumcised last February and i've resented the two of you a little more every single day. it completely destroyed me when i found out because i feel as if you don't think of me as a person, instead i think you see me (or saw me) as a pet that doesn't have any thoughts ideas or opinions of its own. and that's why you said "yes" to that doctor 18 years ago, because you thought that i wouldn't be able to make the decision myself. it's as if you believed that my body belongs to you, and not me. as if you thought that i don't have the right to make this life changing decision myself because i am your property. that's why i've been treating you the way i have for almost a year. i'm sure you've noticed that i go out of my way to not be in the same room as either of you, and how i treat you with as much disrespect as i dare. i feel as if i can't trust anyone any more because the two people that i trusted most in life turned out to be the ones that have hurt me the most. i'm sure you've also noticed that i've been playing video games a lot more than i used to, i find that it's the only way for me to be able to release my anger and resentment for you. that's right, this is the reason why i've been playing video games so much and i think that without them i probably would have turned to drugs to try to get rid of my problems. i'm not trying to make you feel bad or anything, it's just the truth. this is how i've felt every day since i found out. i can't get it out of my head, i'm thinking about it all the time and it's driving me crazy. nobody (especially my age) should ever have to go through what i'm going through. and i shouldn't have to, i shouldn't be having this problem, i shouldn't have been circumcised. you spent about 2 to 300 dollars to have me circumcised, but i would give anything to have it undone, anything. but i can't, it's a permanent change that i got no say in even though my body should belong to me and me alone, and i can't believe that out of all the people in the world who had done it, it was the two of you. i understand that you didn't think that i would intemperate it this way. you were probably thinking that i should "look like dad" or something like that, but i still resent you for it and i don't think i'll ever be able to forgive you. thank you for giving me that book, if you hadn't i probably would have kept this to myself a lot longer and i probably would end up in an even worse condition than i am in now. i still haven't told anyone > i have some websites that i would like you to see. unfortunately gmail isn't giving me the option to make links at the moment so you will have to type them into the URL thing yourself (or copy and paste) norm.org http://www.notjustskin.org/en/index.html http://www.notjustskin.org/en/circumcisionfaq.html http://www.notjustskin.org/en/Story-Circumcised-as-Adult.html This is a email from a young fellow advising what had happened to him and the following email he sent to his father.
For all you people who circumcised their sons against the advice of every medical organisation in the world, but quite happy to run on the lies of circumcisers, I only hope your sons think so endearing of you when they are old enough to articulate it.
email 1..
as some of you may know, today is my 18th birthday. so a couple of
minutes ago i was unwrapping some presents. the first one was “i am
america and so can you” which i’ve been wanting to get. so i reached
for the second one and when i opened it i got the crap scared out of
me. out of some extremely weird coincidence they got me a book
entitled “foreskin’s lament”… they have no idea about what i’m doing
or how much i resent them for doing what they did, so when i opened it
i started sweating and shaking like crazy. so i was wondering “have
they found out?” but no, they explained to me that it’s a funny book
that they think i would like. i couldn’t believe it but there it was.
i wanted to jump up and scream at them for even mentioning the word,
but instead i just came up to my room, and now here i am, in my room.
i just couldn’t believe it.
i just sent my dad an email, he’ll probably get it tomorrow at work.
here is what i said………………………………

you and mom just went up the hill on a dogwalk, and i’m sitting here
and i decided to write this message. i’m tired of keeping this secret
from you and right now i don’t know weather or not it’s still a
secret. that book that you got me could have been a coincidence or it
could be you trying to tell me that you know what’s wrong with me,
honestly i have no idea what it is. i’ve been trying to tell you since
i found out back in February but i’ve found myself completely unable
to do it. i found that it’s easier to say it through an email and not
strait to your faces. so what is it that i’m talking about? well i’m
sure that you have figured it out already but i’ll go ahead and say it
anyways. i found out that i was circumcised last February and i’ve
resented the two of you a little more every single day.

it completely destroyed me when i found out because i feel as if you
don’t think of me as a person, instead i think you see me (or saw me)
as a pet that doesn’t have any thoughts ideas or opinions of its own.
and that’s why you said “yes” to that doctor 18 years ago, because you
thought that i wouldn’t be able to make the decision myself. it’s as
if you believed that my body belongs to you, and not me. as if you
thought that i don’t have the right to make this life changing
decision myself because i am your property.

that’s why i’ve been treating you the way i have for almost a year.
i’m sure you’ve noticed that i go out of my way to not be in the same
room as either of you, and how i treat you with as much disrespect as
i dare. i feel as if i can’t trust anyone any more because the two
people that i trusted most in life turned out to be the ones that have
hurt me the most. i’m sure you’ve also noticed that i’ve been playing
video games a lot more than i used to, i find that it’s the only way
for me to be able to release my anger and resentment for you. that’s
right, this is the reason why i’ve been playing video games so much
and i think that without them i probably would have turned to drugs to
try to get rid of my problems. i’m not trying to make you feel bad or
anything, it’s just the truth. this is how i’ve felt every day since i
found out. i can’t get it out of my head, i’m thinking about it all
the time and it’s driving me crazy. nobody (especially my age) should
ever have to go through what i’m going through. and i shouldn’t have
to, i shouldn’t be having this problem, i shouldn’t have been
circumcised.

you spent about 2 to 300 dollars to have me circumcised, but i would
give anything to have it undone, anything. but i can’t, it’s a
permanent change that i got no say in even though my body should
belong to me and me alone, and i can’t believe that out of all the
people in the world who had done it, it was the two of you. i
understand that you didn’t think that i would intemperate it this way.
you were probably thinking that i should “look like dad” or something
like that, but i still resent you for it and i don’t think i’ll ever
be able to forgive you.

thank you for giving me that book, if you hadn’t i probably would have
kept this to myself a lot longer and i probably would end up in an
even worse condition than i am in now. i still haven’t told anyone >
i have some websites that i would like you to see. unfortunately gmail
isn’t giving me the option to make links at the moment so you will
have to type them into the URL thing yourself (or copy and paste)

norm.org

http://www.notjustskin.org/en/index.html
http://www.notjustskin.org/en/circumcisionfaq.html
http://www.notjustskin.org/en/Story-Circumcised-as-Adult.html

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