Is Manliness Obsolete?

by Brett on February 12, 2009 · 55 comments

in A Man's Life

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Editor’s Note: This is a guest post from Will Briggs. Will frequents the AoM forum, blogs at Letters to Liam and from what I can tell, is one of the nicest and most sincere gentlemen around.

Some years ago I read a book (Manhood in the Making, by David Gilmore) which surveyed the concept of masculinity in civilizations all over the world. The author found that almost everywhere you went, people had the same expectations: a man should be brave, economically successful, responsible, generous, sexually capable, procreative, and sociable with other men.

I commented on this remarkable similarity of ideas (from such different people as Spaniards and New Guinea highlanders), and a friend said, “Fortunately, we’re in the modern world, so we can get rid of the whole silly idea.”

Was she right? Is manliness old-fashioned and silly, best replaced with a new post-masculine ideal, in which we don’t admire courage, procreation, or the old manly ways?

It’s an easy question to answer, isn’t it? Reverse the list of manly qualities above, and ask yourself: would the human race be better off if each man were an irresponsible, impotent, stingy coward who couldn’t hold down a job or keep a friend? We can tinker with the ideal of manhood, but throwing it out entirely would be a disaster.

But let’s look further anyway. To keep it short, let’s consider one example each from three classes of manly virtues: those that only men can do; those that either sex can do equally; and those that either can do, but are more characteristically male.

Men Only: Fatherhood

Consider where the new post-masculine man has really caught on, at least in regard to procreation: Europe, and blue-state centers like Greenwich Village — that is, in certain rich locations that people imagine are the future of the world.

But they aren’t the future, and here’s why: those post-manly men aren’t fathering many children. A society without fatherhood has no future, because its members die without being replaced.

I don’t have birth rates for Greenwich Village, but you can get them for Europe. They’re crashing. Greece, for example, has a replacement rate of about 1.29; on average, if this continues, population will nearly halve each generation. Spain’s and Italy’s are about the same. The future belongs to nobody — except possibly immigrants, who will bring a different perspective on fatherhood with them, or they’ll disappear as well. Either way, this particular aspect of post-manliness has no future.

Of course not every man needs to be a father, and moderation has its place here. But if this particular manly virtue disappears entirely, so does civilization.

For Both Sexes: Responsibility

Consider a world in which males don’t take responsibility. They don’t commit to women; they father children but don’t take care of them; they have high-flown dreams but lack the discipline to carry them out. What kind of world would it be?

A poor one, for one thing, and there are parts of the First World that work that way. They’re the underclass neighborhoods where most children don’t have fathers at home or have a series of “fathers” who come and go. Theodore Dalrymple (Our Culture: What’s Left of It, Life at the Bottom: the World View that Makes the Underclass) writes about a nightmare society in Britain that works like this. Unfortunately, it’s nonfiction.

There’s also a modern glorification of never growing up (see, among others, The Sibling Society by Robert Bly). Underclass or rich, we can put off indefinitely trying to make the world a better place, turning to entertainments and drugs to occupy ourselves. But why should a man occupy himself in a less than perfect world? When there are children to mentor and causes to champion, why spend all your time playing Halo 3? Is being comfortable all there is to life?

Obviously responsibility is a virtue women can embody as well as men. But ask the women in your life if they want the men around to take less responsibility. If they’re in a good mood, they’ll laugh at you. If not, they’ll regale you with stories of the One That, Thank God, Got Away. Life isn’t so easy that half the human race can remain forever children. Men have to shoulder adult responsibilities, too.

Especially for Men: Physical Bravery

Bravery can mean daring to open up to a friend or sweetheart. (We need more of this kind of bravery.) But there is also the bravery of facing physical danger. Maybe that’s the part that’s obsolete, no longer needed in the modern world?

Maybe. If you are in a rich, civilized country, nobody is likely attacking you; you aren’t in a high-crime area; there is no natural disaster; someone else is a soldier so you don’t have to be; someone else is a policeman so you don’t have to be; someone else is a fireman so you don’t have to be; that is, if you’re very lucky, you will never have to confront physical danger. In that case, you won’t need to be physically brave in order for you and yours to survive.

So if we’re really lucky (and many of us are now, most of the time, thanks to the bravery of others), we’ll only need this manly characteristic

…for ourselves; we have a need to face danger.

…for our sons and male mentees; they need it too.

…and for our romantic attachments. Women want to date men, not aging boys.

It’s a paradox: women don’t want the men they love to kill themselves on motorcycles, but they still don’t find cowardice in men attractive. (Neither do men, for that matter.) And it’s not symmetric. I don’t know many men who would say, “I think a woman should be strong and brave, to protect the man she loves.” Or women who hope for the relationship to go that way, either.

But it doesn’t matter. Eventually, our luck will run out, and we’ll need physical bravery for physical danger again.

Conclusion

To sum up: why do we need manly virtues?

  • It goes with who we are physically. Men are bigger and stronger; it makes more sense to have them bursting through the doors and carrying unconscious smoke-inhalation victims out of the fire, because they can actually pick those victims up. (I say “they” because I’d have a tough time picking up a 180-lb. man — but there are plenty who wouldn’t!)
  • It goes with who we are mentally. Think about the difference in flavors of honesty. Women can be blunt and artless with the truth — but they’re often more nuanced, using more diplomacy and more we’re-a-team thinking. Men can be diplomatic, but we’re usually more apt to just say it. Both ways are useful — but although working on our weaknesses makes sense, it also makes sense to use our strengths.
  • It delights us. Birds gotta fly; fish gotta swim; men gotta do manly stuff. Look what happens on the forum part of this site: men come so they can revel in manly stuff, from barbecuing to power tools to cars, because it’s fun. That ought to be enough reason.
  • It delights women, too. To be blunt: if you say manliness is obsolete and we’re all just a mix of feminine and masculine, it probably won’t hurt you much socially with the ladies. But if you act on it — if you become that irresponsible, impotent, stingy coward who can’t hold down a job; or if you drop the symbols of manliness for a more feminine style, plucking your eyebrows and wearing a tastefully lacy dress (!) — it won’t just be other men who shudder and look away; it’ll be the women too.

But the ultimate reason to embrace manly virtues is that they are virtues. Being the best man you can be is a calling. The world may not thank us if we follow it, but thanks isn’t what we’re after. Excellence is, and charity.


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1 DAR March 10, 2009 at 10:54 am

I generally like this blog a lot, but frankly I found this post a bit offensive: anti-”blue-state” (”blue-state centers like Greenwich Village — that is, in certain rich locations that people imagine are the future of the world”), borderline racist (”They’re the underclass neighborhoods where most children don’t have fathers at home or have a series of “fathers” who come and go”), and a bit sexist in spots as well.

I live in New York City – in the Greenwich Village neighborhood, in fact. And I’m a married (my first and only marriage), responsible father of 2 boys. And I’m not the only one. I have numerous other dad friends in the neighborhood. We take our boys to soccer together on Saturday mornings, etc. – probably about exactly the same things that you do with your kids. Oh, yeah – and I’m not rich either.

So, news flash to Mr. Briggs who seems to think he knows so much about me, my neighborhood, and my friends – most likely without having spent much (or perhaps any) time either visiting New York or spending time with New Yorkers: your assumptions about us are way off base. Many (if not most) people of the people living here are families. And as far as the sizable contingent of people that are not – gay people, young people who are “postponing growing up”, etc.? Not only am I fine with them, I welcome them. They are all (with a few rare exceptions) peaceful, decent people, and make my hometown a more exciting, interesting, open-minded, and diverse place to live. And that is the type of environment that this responsible father wants to raise his children in.

2 Max March 16, 2009 at 8:57 am

I toatally agree with kari, both men and women have a duty to fight evil everywhere and anywhere in the world. They should fight it in a way their body permits – men go to war, women support their man and their cause, and attend rallies.

From what I’ve gathered is that on the most fundamental level both men and women want to be mentally and physically happy. But in the west the problem is that ignorance is confusing both men and women so that they can never clearly identify the problem and be happy. It’s time to face the facts – its time the west takes a cue from other countries. Most ardent feminists I know live in cities. In cities both men and women sit in a small box sized room all day and stare at a computer, 9 to 5. Since this work is mundane and devoid of mental stimulation both men and women feel unhappy, and since both can do the job equally well (since its purely mental) they will be in competition with each other. But since boys will be boys, their hardwired male brain tells them somethings not right so the result is that they feel emasculated and crushed. Women then complain men are feminine and not manly. BOTH SUFFER. Therein lies the problem – modern industrialisation has made life so comfortable its boring – for both men and women. In this modern robot-like society male heroism isn’t needed, so men have to find manly persuits to feel alive and save their male libido before it goes away forever. Its a sad truth of the times we live in, un inescapable problem. And overpopulation will mean cities will become even more crowded the world over. The ONLY way we can be happy is to return to nature and live close to the earth. Then men will not have to worry about defining manliness and women will not worry about the feminisation of men. The natural order of things would just come about, as God had initially intended. The most beautiful thing I have ever seen is families in devolping countries who work on farms, like my girlfriends parents from Thailand. Both worked equally hard alongside each other cultivating rice, both shared the tasks equally, and both lived life to the fullest and were extremely happy. After work the husband went to market, the wife cooked the meals and bathed the children. Neither squabbled about not having enough time to develope their intellectuality, equal rights etc. The man was happy being a man, the woman was happy being a woman, and both WORKED EQUALLY AS HARD AND HAD AN EQUAL SHARE OF THE DUTIES. As you can guess they remained married till death. But city people or those in the industrialised western world look at folk like that and call them names like country bumpkin and simpleton. The truth is they are scared to really experience life and all its challenges, they just want to have money and live in a problem-free drug induced world. Wouldn’t the world be cured of all its ills if people lived simply and close to mother nature?

Simply put theres no point trying to fight feminism and make men more manly, theres no quick fix solution. The fabric of modern society in developing countries has created a scenario where the requirements of the times do not match the true nature of our genders. Heres the solution – make society less materialistic and more spiritual, encourage people to work on farms instead of the boardroom. Since that sounds ridiculous in this day and age then my friends, accept whats coming, social ills will only multiply

3 Eric Mart April 18, 2009 at 2:29 am

Some time back I read an article (I don’t remember where, when or by whom) that addressed this thorny issue. The problem; name a manly virtue that women can’t have. Courage? Fidelity? Honesty and straightforwardness? Stoicism? Tenderness? My wife and sister have as much or more of these qualities as I do. I am bigger and stronger and can lift heavy things. I think the problem is that these differences are dimensional rather than absolute and there is a lot of overlap. One obvious difference is that men are more aggressive and young men are in particular. It may be best to think of manliness as a sort of code of chivalry that socializes and channels this aggression into pro-social channels; might for right and all that.

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