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	<title>Comments on: So You Want My Job: Air Force Pilot</title>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/12/03/so-you-want-my-job-air-force-pilot/comment-page-1/#comment-58061</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article!  I&#039;m a civilian employee of the AF, and it heartens me to see fellow Airmen writing about their jobs.  If I didn&#039;t have poor vision from childhood, I would have aimed high to become a pilot myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!  I&#8217;m a civilian employee of the AF, and it heartens me to see fellow Airmen writing about their jobs.  If I didn&#8217;t have poor vision from childhood, I would have aimed high to become a pilot myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Sir Pouralot</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/12/03/so-you-want-my-job-air-force-pilot/comment-page-1/#comment-35342</link>
		<dc:creator>Sir Pouralot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 02:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>u should do &#039;Bartenders&#039; next</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>u should do &#8216;Bartenders&#8217; next</p>
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		<title>By: GoalieLax</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/12/03/so-you-want-my-job-air-force-pilot/comment-page-1/#comment-22586</link>
		<dc:creator>GoalieLax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you want to fly a real plane, go to the US Naval Academy.  You have a much better chance at getting fighters and won&#039;t be a bus driver for 30 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to fly a real plane, go to the US Naval Academy.  You have a much better chance at getting fighters and won&#8217;t be a bus driver for 30 years.</p>
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		<title>By: kathy quann</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/12/03/so-you-want-my-job-air-force-pilot/comment-page-1/#comment-22495</link>
		<dc:creator>kathy quann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 22:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His mother must be very proud!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His mother must be very proud!</p>
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		<title>By: Spencer Blake</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/12/03/so-you-want-my-job-air-force-pilot/comment-page-1/#comment-21486</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 13:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m only 16 in the 10th grade and we are doing an i-search. I am following up on being an U.S. Air Force pilot. After reading this it really makes me want to follow up on the career. Nice article!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m only 16 in the 10th grade and we are doing an i-search. I am following up on being an U.S. Air Force pilot. After reading this it really makes me want to follow up on the career. Nice article!</p>
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		<title>By: therapydoc</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/12/03/so-you-want-my-job-air-force-pilot/comment-page-1/#comment-21085</link>
		<dc:creator>therapydoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s nice to know that there are people like you out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s nice to know that there are people like you out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Schaefer</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/12/03/so-you-want-my-job-air-force-pilot/comment-page-1/#comment-20420</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Schaefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 18:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Kepler,

It&#039;s all based on your rank and time in service.  Here&#039;s a link to the 2009 military pay chart - http://www.navycs.com/09militarypaychart.html

Go down to the O&#039;s (officer) and O-1 is 2nd Lt, O-2 is 1st Lt, O-3 is Captain, etc.  Keep in mind that is only your base pay which does not include your BAH (housing allowance) as well as Flight Pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Kepler,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all based on your rank and time in service.  Here&#8217;s a link to the 2009 military pay chart &#8211; <a href="http://www.navycs.com/09militarypaychart.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.navycs.com/09militarypaychart.html</a></p>
<p>Go down to the O&#8217;s (officer) and O-1 is 2nd Lt, O-2 is 1st Lt, O-3 is Captain, etc.  Keep in mind that is only your base pay which does not include your BAH (housing allowance) as well as Flight Pay.</p>
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		<title>By: kepler</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/12/03/so-you-want-my-job-air-force-pilot/comment-page-1/#comment-19917</link>
		<dc:creator>kepler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 00:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would like to be an airforce pilot, but i need to know the maximum and milimum they pay an airforce pilot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would like to be an airforce pilot, but i need to know the maximum and milimum they pay an airforce pilot.</p>
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		<title>By: Julian</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/12/03/so-you-want-my-job-air-force-pilot/comment-page-1/#comment-18838</link>
		<dc:creator>Julian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post. You gotta love the Air Force.

USAFA &#039;12</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post. You gotta love the Air Force.</p>
<p>USAFA &#8216;12</p>
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		<title>By: Excelsior Bachelor of Science Completed</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/12/03/so-you-want-my-job-air-force-pilot/comment-page-1/#comment-18836</link>
		<dc:creator>Excelsior Bachelor of Science Completed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this to death, but I enjoyed reading the following article a few days ago so I thought I&#039;d share:  Interview with an Air Force Pilot &#124; The Art of Manliness  Best of luck with your future career, and once again Congratulations!    __________________  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this to death, but I enjoyed reading the following article a few days ago so I thought I&#8217;d share:  Interview with an Air Force Pilot | The Art of Manliness  Best of luck with your future career, and once again Congratulations!    __________________  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/12/03/so-you-want-my-job-air-force-pilot/comment-page-1/#comment-18832</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 20:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great job dude, exactly the way it is.

- Josh (04&#039;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great job dude, exactly the way it is.</p>
<p>- Josh (04&#8242;)</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Branby</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/12/03/so-you-want-my-job-air-force-pilot/comment-page-1/#comment-18801</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Branby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Cameron. As an Academy grad and Navigator who&#039;s still flying after 25+ years, you pretty much nailed the aircrew life. It&#039;s not easy to get into and very demanding once you&#039;re there, but extremely rewarding when it&#039;s all said and done. 

For those who want to fly and don&#039;t meet all the physical pilot qualifications, or are just into something different, the Air Force still has a small cadre of Navigators in bombers, cargo, and special operations aircraft, and will for years to come. Active Duty, National Guard and Air Force Reserve units all over the country are looking for the best of the best. Same age requirements, and definitely the same academic standards. it&#039;s a great job with lots of neat &quot;toys.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Cameron. As an Academy grad and Navigator who&#8217;s still flying after 25+ years, you pretty much nailed the aircrew life. It&#8217;s not easy to get into and very demanding once you&#8217;re there, but extremely rewarding when it&#8217;s all said and done. </p>
<p>For those who want to fly and don&#8217;t meet all the physical pilot qualifications, or are just into something different, the Air Force still has a small cadre of Navigators in bombers, cargo, and special operations aircraft, and will for years to come. Active Duty, National Guard and Air Force Reserve units all over the country are looking for the best of the best. Same age requirements, and definitely the same academic standards. it&#8217;s a great job with lots of neat &#8220;toys.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: E.Serrano</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/12/03/so-you-want-my-job-air-force-pilot/comment-page-1/#comment-18780</link>
		<dc:creator>E.Serrano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>awesome post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awesome post!</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Schaefer</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/12/03/so-you-want-my-job-air-force-pilot/comment-page-1/#comment-18779</link>
		<dc:creator>Cameron Schaefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Tony,

First, I have to admit that my knowledge is based on hearsay from others who have left for the airlines or people that know people who left - that kind of thing.  

From what I&#039;ve heard the airlines are not as great of a job as they used to be when it comes to salary.  9/11 took a huge cut out of most airlines and it has been reflected in slashing the pay of their starting pilots.  UPS and FedEx seem to be the hot-ticket jobs right now when it comes to the best pay for guys leaving the military to fly commercially, but they&#039;re quite competitive.

The Air Force on the other hand has played the pendulum game with personnel numbers as Adam alluded to in his comment.  A few years ago they were paying pilots to leave, now they&#039;re paying them to stay.  The current offer is a bonus of $125,000 ($25K per year) for pilot&#039;s to sign up for another 5 years when they come to the end of their active duty service commitment (currently 10 years).  

Naturally, a lot goes into the decision for most pilot&#039;s on whether they&#039;ll stay in after 10 or leave, but these are the major factors to be weighed at the moment.  So does the Air Force have enough pilots?  I don&#039;t have enough rank to really know the answer to that question, but what I do know is the C-17 community is incredibly busy right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Tony,</p>
<p>First, I have to admit that my knowledge is based on hearsay from others who have left for the airlines or people that know people who left &#8211; that kind of thing.  </p>
<p>From what I&#8217;ve heard the airlines are not as great of a job as they used to be when it comes to salary.  9/11 took a huge cut out of most airlines and it has been reflected in slashing the pay of their starting pilots.  UPS and FedEx seem to be the hot-ticket jobs right now when it comes to the best pay for guys leaving the military to fly commercially, but they&#8217;re quite competitive.</p>
<p>The Air Force on the other hand has played the pendulum game with personnel numbers as Adam alluded to in his comment.  A few years ago they were paying pilots to leave, now they&#8217;re paying them to stay.  The current offer is a bonus of $125,000 ($25K per year) for pilot&#8217;s to sign up for another 5 years when they come to the end of their active duty service commitment (currently 10 years).  </p>
<p>Naturally, a lot goes into the decision for most pilot&#8217;s on whether they&#8217;ll stay in after 10 or leave, but these are the major factors to be weighed at the moment.  So does the Air Force have enough pilots?  I don&#8217;t have enough rank to really know the answer to that question, but what I do know is the C-17 community is incredibly busy right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Air Force was actually over manned for a while, but they force shaped a little much and now they need more people.  They&#039;re giving out a lot of pilot slots (i know a total tool who managed to still get one. if he makes it out of UPT is another story) but they also really need UAV guys.  I think UAV pilots are still under a stop-loss since they need people so bad.  That&#039;s French for &quot;keeping your ass in regardless of if you want to or not&quot;  even if your contract is up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Air Force was actually over manned for a while, but they force shaped a little much and now they need more people.  They&#8217;re giving out a lot of pilot slots (i know a total tool who managed to still get one. if he makes it out of UPT is another story) but they also really need UAV guys.  I think UAV pilots are still under a stop-loss since they need people so bad.  That&#8217;s French for &#8220;keeping your ass in regardless of if you want to or not&#8221;  even if your contract is up.</p>
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