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	<title>Comments on: Lessons in Unmanliness: Willy Loman</title>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The man of this day and age is valued and rated by his wallet, and that is, how fat is it, how much money in the bank he has or how much that he makes.  Everything else no matter how good or bad, takes a back seat. I am speaking about the United States; though it is sadly spreading. It may not be 100% of woman, but I do think it is pretty darn close. Hard work won&#039;t do me much good, as my health was taken from me by some other person&#039;s wrong illegal doing and it is nothing Doctors can fix, nor can they stop the constant pain it causes. My rating does not even hit the scale. I can dream and hope all I want, but that is where the story ends. Just a fact of this day and age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The man of this day and age is valued and rated by his wallet, and that is, how fat is it, how much money in the bank he has or how much that he makes.  Everything else no matter how good or bad, takes a back seat. I am speaking about the United States; though it is sadly spreading. It may not be 100% of woman, but I do think it is pretty darn close. Hard work won&#8217;t do me much good, as my health was taken from me by some other person&#8217;s wrong illegal doing and it is nothing Doctors can fix, nor can they stop the constant pain it causes. My rating does not even hit the scale. I can dream and hope all I want, but that is where the story ends. Just a fact of this day and age.</p>
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		<title>By: Barrie O'Leary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barrie O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 23:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have neither seen the play or the movie. Now I must. I can associate with poor Willy. Suicide is not an option, though. Nobod has even mentioned the oh, so obvious, lack of cash experience in all of this. No mon.&#039;, no fun! It is wonderful to be cashed up. It is a slog if not.  &quot;What do you us to fuel the car?&quot; you might ask. 
What car?&quot; I can respond. Willy was reduced to believing through his crcumstances that he was worth more dead to his family than alive. I can&#039;t understnd how he maintained a mistress in is situation, but a good story does not have to be bogged down with facts, does it?  The bible isn&#039;t, afterall.

From what I understand, Willy had no practical soution to hand. Believe me, his homelife was intolerable with  woman descended into a scold. she must hae been. Don&#039;t blame will for being unmanly. He was a victim of marriage. Thank goodness for the gay movement and the pill. Sexuality can be seen as one of life&#039;s essentials and can be, handled responsibly, cost free, without the insufferable tolls of being hitched.

Thank goodness that marriage along with religion are now concepts  of the past. That does not make a de facto relationship foolproof because it is fools only who participate. Things can go swimmingly well  and much better if  a man meets a woman by stealth for coitus.  I don&#039;t deny Willy his one remaining chance of  pleasure with his mistress. She obviously had had to have loved him and that was all he wanted and needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have neither seen the play or the movie. Now I must. I can associate with poor Willy. Suicide is not an option, though. Nobod has even mentioned the oh, so obvious, lack of cash experience in all of this. No mon.&#8217;, no fun! It is wonderful to be cashed up. It is a slog if not.  &#8220;What do you us to fuel the car?&#8221; you might ask.<br />
What car?&#8221; I can respond. Willy was reduced to believing through his crcumstances that he was worth more dead to his family than alive. I can&#8217;t understnd how he maintained a mistress in is situation, but a good story does not have to be bogged down with facts, does it?  The bible isn&#8217;t, afterall.</p>
<p>From what I understand, Willy had no practical soution to hand. Believe me, his homelife was intolerable with  woman descended into a scold. she must hae been. Don&#8217;t blame will for being unmanly. He was a victim of marriage. Thank goodness for the gay movement and the pill. Sexuality can be seen as one of life&#8217;s essentials and can be, handled responsibly, cost free, without the insufferable tolls of being hitched.</p>
<p>Thank goodness that marriage along with religion are now concepts  of the past. That does not make a de facto relationship foolproof because it is fools only who participate. Things can go swimmingly well  and much better if  a man meets a woman by stealth for coitus.  I don&#8217;t deny Willy his one remaining chance of  pleasure with his mistress. She obviously had had to have loved him and that was all he wanted and needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Barack Obama&#8217;s &#8220;Willy Loman&#8221; Moment: Will the Infomercial Backfire? &#171; The Cache Valley Report</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barack Obama&#8217;s &#8220;Willy Loman&#8221; Moment: Will the Infomercial Backfire? &#171; The Cache Valley Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] While I believe we all have a little Willy Loman in us, politicians may carry the &#8220;Loman Gene&amp;.... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] While I believe we all have a little Willy Loman in us, politicians may carry the &#8220;Loman Gene&#38;&#8230;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha, good luck with that, Mr. Jones.

Have you guys seen the play or just read the book? Seeing it on stage changes the perspective a lot. Willy is a broken man by the beginning of the play, he is becoming senile. He imagines and talks to his dead brother. That is proof positive that he is mentally unstable. He was just a victim of the times, and yet he tried to the last. He was misguided but a man nonetheless.

And he didn&#039;t take the easy way out when he committed suicide. It wasn&#039;t an act of passion but a resolution to help his family. He couldn&#039;t take his neighbor&#039;s offer for help not because of pride. He didn&#039;t know why he couldn&#039;t but he just couldn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha, good luck with that, Mr. Jones.</p>
<p>Have you guys seen the play or just read the book? Seeing it on stage changes the perspective a lot. Willy is a broken man by the beginning of the play, he is becoming senile. He imagines and talks to his dead brother. That is proof positive that he is mentally unstable. He was just a victim of the times, and yet he tried to the last. He was misguided but a man nonetheless.</p>
<p>And he didn&#8217;t take the easy way out when he committed suicide. It wasn&#8217;t an act of passion but a resolution to help his family. He couldn&#8217;t take his neighbor&#8217;s offer for help not because of pride. He didn&#8217;t know why he couldn&#8217;t but he just couldn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr. Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole thing is pretty damned depressing.

To perk up, I&#039;m checking out The Crucible.  That should lift my spirits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole thing is pretty damned depressing.</p>
<p>To perk up, I&#8217;m checking out The Crucible.  That should lift my spirits.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Suicide

I&#039;ve been wondering, what this blog&#039;s stance on suicide is. Pro or anti suicide, I&#039;ve observed, usually comes from the difference in western and eastern philosophies or belief systems about the subject. I hope to see some posts on it in the future.

Eastern thinking usually is okay with suicide, while western thinking generally is not. 

Now, in my opinion Mr. Loman&#039;s suicide was avoidable and not exactly necessary. Leaving behind children that need a parent I don&#039;t think was worth his death. 

Now, that I think about it , I should probably search to see if you guy&#039;s have written anything about the subject...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Suicide</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been wondering, what this blog&#8217;s stance on suicide is. Pro or anti suicide, I&#8217;ve observed, usually comes from the difference in western and eastern philosophies or belief systems about the subject. I hope to see some posts on it in the future.</p>
<p>Eastern thinking usually is okay with suicide, while western thinking generally is not. </p>
<p>Now, in my opinion Mr. Loman&#8217;s suicide was avoidable and not exactly necessary. Leaving behind children that need a parent I don&#8217;t think was worth his death. </p>
<p>Now, that I think about it , I should probably search to see if you guy&#8217;s have written anything about the subject&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Kibelbek</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/10/02/lessons-in-unmanliness-willy-loman/comment-page-1/#comment-14122</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Kibelbek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was exposed to this play in High School and again in college. Neither time was the character of Willy Loman discussed as anything other than a hapless victim. Much was made both times that a labor union apparently tried to block the production of the play.
Now in middle age, I can see the real tragedy of this play is not so much a man being destroyed by economic circumstances beyond his control. Its a man who departed from all reality and lost hope. We don&#039;t sense a lot of obvious despair from Willy and I expect this is because Arthur Miller gave his character a rather unconventional, if not entirely unrealistic, response to the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was exposed to this play in High School and again in college. Neither time was the character of Willy Loman discussed as anything other than a hapless victim. Much was made both times that a labor union apparently tried to block the production of the play.<br />
Now in middle age, I can see the real tragedy of this play is not so much a man being destroyed by economic circumstances beyond his control. Its a man who departed from all reality and lost hope. We don&#8217;t sense a lot of obvious despair from Willy and I expect this is because Arthur Miller gave his character a rather unconventional, if not entirely unrealistic, response to the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Robin-

Of course every character and every man is a complex being. When we have done the &quot;Lessons in Manliness&quot; articles, the men we have profiled have not been perfect men. But we can learn from the things that they did right. Similarly, Willy Loman was not 100% unmanly, but we can learn from the things he did wrong. It&#039;s a profile of lessons learned, not a complete life analysis. After all, if Willy Loman can&#039;t be presented as an example of unmanliness, who could really? Every man, no matter how debase, has his aspects we can emphasize with. But we&#039;re looking at things as a whole here, a life in summation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robin-</p>
<p>Of course every character and every man is a complex being. When we have done the &#8220;Lessons in Manliness&#8221; articles, the men we have profiled have not been perfect men. But we can learn from the things that they did right. Similarly, Willy Loman was not 100% unmanly, but we can learn from the things he did wrong. It&#8217;s a profile of lessons learned, not a complete life analysis. After all, if Willy Loman can&#8217;t be presented as an example of unmanliness, who could really? Every man, no matter how debase, has his aspects we can emphasize with. But we&#8217;re looking at things as a whole here, a life in summation.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK last thought on this. Willy is the protagonist and probably the antagonist too. Willy is a complex and flawed character. He is not really prideful, he is in denial and trying to protect the concept of who he is and what he has done with his life. He has done many things wrong. He is hiding his shame. Folks, you are not supposed to cheer when Willy offs himself. You are supposed to see it as what it is... a tragedy. Hubris. Failure. Denial. Failure. Realization. Solution. Death. You know it&#039;s not really about sympathy... it&#039;s about empathy. Sorry... as human beings, we all have a Willy Loman in us.  It was a bad example of unmanliness. We all can&#039;t be Atticus Fitch all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK last thought on this. Willy is the protagonist and probably the antagonist too. Willy is a complex and flawed character. He is not really prideful, he is in denial and trying to protect the concept of who he is and what he has done with his life. He has done many things wrong. He is hiding his shame. Folks, you are not supposed to cheer when Willy offs himself. You are supposed to see it as what it is&#8230; a tragedy. Hubris. Failure. Denial. Failure. Realization. Solution. Death. You know it&#8217;s not really about sympathy&#8230; it&#8217;s about empathy. Sorry&#8230; as human beings, we all have a Willy Loman in us.  It was a bad example of unmanliness. We all can&#8217;t be Atticus Fitch all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 22:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree with Brett and Robin in having sympathy for Willy&#039;s character. It&#039;s one thing to struggle and fail, but Willy doesn&#039;t even really go down struggling. He keeps daydreaming of success, but never does anything to attain his goals. As someone mentioned above, when another man offers him a job he turns it down because he&#039;s prideful and jealous. Anyone who does all they can and then still fails, has my full sympathy. People who wallow in pity and give-up do not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree with Brett and Robin in having sympathy for Willy&#8217;s character. It&#8217;s one thing to struggle and fail, but Willy doesn&#8217;t even really go down struggling. He keeps daydreaming of success, but never does anything to attain his goals. As someone mentioned above, when another man offers him a job he turns it down because he&#8217;s prideful and jealous. Anyone who does all they can and then still fails, has my full sympathy. People who wallow in pity and give-up do not.</p>
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		<title>By: William Zanelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Zanelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an amazing article..!! I love it.

I realised early in life that if I wanted something - I&#039;d have to go out there and make it happen, things dont just fall into your lap!!

The crux of the article for me is &quot;The true lynchpin of success is tireless ambition and hard work. Neither Willy nor his sons ever learn this&quot; - people are capable of so much, yet because they lack courage they life a life of mediocricy!!

Life is a daring adevnture or nothing, someone once said :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an amazing article..!! I love it.</p>
<p>I realised early in life that if I wanted something &#8211; I&#8217;d have to go out there and make it happen, things dont just fall into your lap!!</p>
<p>The crux of the article for me is &#8220;The true lynchpin of success is tireless ambition and hard work. Neither Willy nor his sons ever learn this&#8221; &#8211; people are capable of so much, yet because they lack courage they life a life of mediocricy!!</p>
<p>Life is a daring adevnture or nothing, someone once said <img src='http://artofmanliness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Robin- I&#039;ve never had much sympathy for Willy Loman, but I can see how he could be a sympathetic character. 

@ Anna- I think it&#039;s the other way around. The Brazilian rock band leader looks like me. :)

@ David- Agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Robin- I&#8217;ve never had much sympathy for Willy Loman, but I can see how he could be a sympathetic character. </p>
<p>@ Anna- I think it&#8217;s the other way around. The Brazilian rock band leader looks like me. <img src='http://artofmanliness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@ David- Agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Slaughter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Slaughter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>â€œA man should seek to be independent and self-reliant.â€
Careful, this statement has its roots in pride. There is a danger in this statement of sliding into â€œrugged individualismâ€ which is a place denuded of relationships.

Oh, please!  &quot;Rugged Individualism&quot; means to be self-reliant and resourceful.  To be able to stand resolutely against what the &#039;sheeple&#039; are doing.  Denuded of relationships?  Spare me.

&quot;It&#039;s a tragedy. The guy tried. The guy struggled. The guy failed. The guy died.&quot;

The guy tried, ineffectually.  The guy struggled, half-heartedly.  The guy failed.  The guy took the easy way out.  waah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œA man should seek to be independent and self-reliant.â€<br />
Careful, this statement has its roots in pride. There is a danger in this statement of sliding into â€œrugged individualismâ€ which is a place denuded of relationships.</p>
<p>Oh, please!  &#8220;Rugged Individualism&#8221; means to be self-reliant and resourceful.  To be able to stand resolutely against what the &#8217;sheeple&#8217; are doing.  Denuded of relationships?  Spare me.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s a tragedy. The guy tried. The guy struggled. The guy failed. The guy died.&#8221;</p>
<p>The guy tried, ineffectually.  The guy struggled, half-heartedly.  The guy failed.  The guy took the easy way out.  waah.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Theodora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Theodora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the Hawaiiabera post, you also posted a photo of yourself with the shirt. At first I thought: &quot;wow, how did he get a young Evandro Mesquita&#039;s photo in that pose?&quot;
Then I found out it was you. You look a lot like Evandro Mesquita
http://www.alfredoonline.blogger.com.br/evandro%20mesquit.jpg
a brazilian rock band leader.
At least in that photo you look like him ;P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the Hawaiiabera post, you also posted a photo of yourself with the shirt. At first I thought: &#8220;wow, how did he get a young Evandro Mesquita&#8217;s photo in that pose?&#8221;<br />
Then I found out it was you. You look a lot like Evandro Mesquita<br />
<a href="http://www.alfredoonline.blogger.com.br/evandro%20mesquit.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.alfredoonline.blogger.com.br/evandro%20mesquit.jpg</a><br />
a brazilian rock band leader.<br />
At least in that photo you look like him ;P</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take it easy on Willy. Jeez come on. Unmanliness? It&#039;s a tragedy. The guy tried. The guy struggled. The guy failed. The guy died. 

Death of a Salesman is a perfect example of the burden that many men suffer quietly through. And believe you me considering the economy this story is going to become pretty timely. 

Manliness is having a heart and understanding human vulnerabilities. 

See the 1966 version Lee J. Cobb, it will break your heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take it easy on Willy. Jeez come on. Unmanliness? It&#8217;s a tragedy. The guy tried. The guy struggled. The guy failed. The guy died. </p>
<p>Death of a Salesman is a perfect example of the burden that many men suffer quietly through. And believe you me considering the economy this story is going to become pretty timely. </p>
<p>Manliness is having a heart and understanding human vulnerabilities. </p>
<p>See the 1966 version Lee J. Cobb, it will break your heart.</p>
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