Comments on: A Health Plan So Easy, Even a Caveman Can Do It http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/30/eat-and-workout-like-a-caveman/ Men's Interests and Lifestyle Sun, 08 Nov 2009 02:58:30 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: cep http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/30/eat-and-workout-like-a-caveman/comment-page-2/#comment-57052 cep Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:15:08 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=902#comment-57052 How long did cavemen live? How long did cavemen live?

]]> By: Emily Fine http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/30/eat-and-workout-like-a-caveman/comment-page-2/#comment-42041 Emily Fine Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:12:16 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=902#comment-42041 I'm gonna disagree with the people here posting those life expectancy figures of 15-35 here. I have a problem with this being an assumption of an unhealthy lifestyle because none of these people themselves have taken into account all the modern advantages that keep us alive to what we think is the norm now versus life for a caveman. We have climate control, hospitals, vaccines, government, agriculture and farming of our protein, and especially true in America, a fuckton of food going to waste in our garbage cans every day. We have developed all of these technologies, and although we are technically living longer, we have developed more diseases, more stressors, heart disease and cancers rising in number, war weapons to take out millions, HIV and AIDS, STDs and all of that. You think that the cavemen way of life was so unhealthy? Look at the way we all live now. Also, look at the infant mortality rates of then and now, and given the provisions we have these days to make sure every baby possible lives (in America, because America is the most current and more extreme example of this lifestyle). None of these doubting commenters have paid any attention to these factors, as all they see is that distorted life expectancy rate. If half of the people here had to actually hunt down their daily meal, didn't have the current luxuries of air conditioning and heating, of running water and electricity, a lot of them wouldn't be alive to write their little comments here because they would have died at 35 :P Can't see the forest for the trees, I swear. What you should take from this article is to avoid the modern things that do you more harm than good and learn from the survival skills of those who didn't have the luxuries you currently do, because to make it to 35 in those times versus now was a lot tougher. Seriously. I’m gonna disagree with the people here posting those life expectancy figures of 15-35 here. I have a problem with this being an assumption of an unhealthy lifestyle because none of these people themselves have taken into account all the modern advantages that keep us alive to what we think is the norm now versus life for a caveman. We have climate control, hospitals, vaccines, government, agriculture and farming of our protein, and especially true in America, a fuckton of food going to waste in our garbage cans every day. We have developed all of these technologies, and although we are technically living longer, we have developed more diseases, more stressors, heart disease and cancers rising in number, war weapons to take out millions, HIV and AIDS, STDs and all of that.

You think that the cavemen way of life was so unhealthy? Look at the way we all live now.

Also, look at the infant mortality rates of then and now, and given the provisions we have these days to make sure every baby possible lives (in America, because America is the most current and more extreme example of this lifestyle).

None of these doubting commenters have paid any attention to these factors, as all they see is that distorted life expectancy rate. If half of the people here had to actually hunt down their daily meal, didn’t have the current luxuries of air conditioning and heating, of running water and electricity, a lot of them wouldn’t be alive to write their little comments here because they would have died at 35 :P

Can’t see the forest for the trees, I swear. What you should take from this article is to avoid the modern things that do you more harm than good and learn from the survival skills of those who didn’t have the luxuries you currently do, because to make it to 35 in those times versus now was a lot tougher.

Seriously.

]]> By: Vu http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/30/eat-and-workout-like-a-caveman/comment-page-2/#comment-40840 Vu Tue, 11 Aug 2009 04:38:05 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=902#comment-40840 You're saying that cavemen never sustained injuries like sprains and stuff? Of course they did. Even animals today get those all the time, but they just grow a pair and deal with the pain instead of getting physical therapy for it. They didn't use those straps and stuff because they don't have them. The idea of natural body movements and everything does have merit but saying they never had injuries and stuff is just wrong. You’re saying that cavemen never sustained injuries like sprains and stuff? Of course they did. Even animals today get those all the time, but they just grow a pair and deal with the pain instead of getting physical therapy for it. They didn’t use those straps and stuff because they don’t have them. The idea of natural body movements and everything does have merit but saying they never had injuries and stuff is just wrong.

]]> By: MIKE http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/30/eat-and-workout-like-a-caveman/comment-page-2/#comment-36517 MIKE Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:06:09 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=902#comment-36517 another good book on the subject is NEANDERTHIN by Ray Audette... a little hard to find... i found a copy in Rite Aid! in 2000 AD i weighed 235# very overweight and followed this neander diet.. basically cut out bread bagels & concentrated on meat, veggies, fish etc and got more active... i didn't lift weights.. that would come later.. i just walked 2 miles everyday on my lunch hour, rented a plot at the local community garden, planted tomatoes, and peppers, herbs, and lost 70#... it took a long time but it stayed off.. i think the problem is we are trying to apply our way of thinking to the way our ancestors lived and thought 10,000 years ago.... kids didn't go to school so maybe breakfast wasn't the most important meal... i doubt strongly that women were constantly pregnant... most indigenous women know how to abort a pregnancy w/o going to a clinic if and when necessary... living to 35? maybe... but all evidence points to the fact that our ancestors had a much different view of death and the after life... physical death just came with the territory.... no big deal... just a transition to the "happy hunting grounds"... i am 62 years old... i run long distance.. i lift weights (bench press 265#), body surf, and was flattered when a man half my age asked how he could get a "flat stomach" like mine... i told him the first thing you gotta do is drop that Bojangles bag! Shaka! another good book on the subject is NEANDERTHIN by Ray Audette… a little hard to find… i found a copy in Rite Aid! in 2000 AD i weighed 235# very overweight and followed this neander diet.. basically cut out bread bagels & concentrated on meat, veggies, fish etc and got more active… i didn’t lift weights.. that would come later.. i just walked 2 miles everyday on my lunch hour, rented a plot at the local community garden, planted tomatoes, and peppers, herbs, and lost 70#… it took a long time but it stayed off.. i think the problem is we are trying to apply our way of thinking to the way our ancestors lived and thought 10,000 years ago…. kids didn’t go to school so maybe breakfast wasn’t the most important meal… i doubt strongly that women were constantly pregnant… most indigenous women know how to abort a pregnancy w/o going to a clinic if and when necessary… living to 35? maybe… but all evidence points to the fact that our ancestors had a much different view of death and the after life… physical death just came with the territory…. no big deal… just a transition to the “happy hunting grounds”… i am 62 years old… i run long distance.. i lift weights (bench press 265#), body surf, and was flattered when a man half my age asked how he could get a “flat stomach” like mine… i told him the first thing you gotta do is drop that Bojangles bag! Shaka!

]]> By: Pirate http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/30/eat-and-workout-like-a-caveman/comment-page-2/#comment-22445 Pirate Tue, 10 Feb 2009 21:58:18 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=902#comment-22445 @myo: <i>What about caveWOman? Would I be healthier if I were in a state of constant pregnancy and nursing from age 13 until 40? This article seems like just another way to say “Don't eat junk and exercise more,” which is great advice… but the caveman comparison is just silly.</i> Ummm... Am I missing something? The blog title is "The Art of Manliness", not "The Art of Personness". I don't go to classical music blogs and complain that they're not addressing heavy metal issues. Doing so would make me sound pissy and like I was looking for something to complain about. I'm not trying to say you're being a griefer, but... actually no. That is what I'm saying. Doesn't mean you're a bad person, merely acting like a troll in this instance. -Pirate @myo:

What about caveWOman? Would I be healthier if I were in a state of constant pregnancy and nursing from age 13 until 40? This article seems like just another way to say “Don’t eat junk and exercise more,” which is great advice… but the caveman comparison is just silly.

Ummm… Am I missing something?

The blog title is “The Art of Manliness”, not “The Art of Personness”.

I don’t go to classical music blogs and complain that they’re not addressing heavy metal issues. Doing so would make me sound pissy and like I was looking for something to complain about.

I’m not trying to say you’re being a griefer, but… actually no. That is what I’m saying.

Doesn’t mean you’re a bad person, merely acting like a troll in this instance.

-Pirate

]]> By: Ron D' http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/30/eat-and-workout-like-a-caveman/comment-page-2/#comment-21236 Ron D' Thu, 08 Jan 2009 17:08:38 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=902#comment-21236 Nice article. Great to hear some common sense. I'd be you are from Massachusetts. Your phrase "so didn't" gave it away. My late old roommate Dave used to say "so don't I" all the time, and that is the only place on earth people talk like that... Cheers. Nice article. Great to hear some common sense. I’d be you are from Massachusetts. Your phrase “so didn’t” gave it away. My late old roommate Dave used to say “so don’t I” all the time, and that is the only place on earth people talk like that…

Cheers.

]]> By: ryan barger http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/30/eat-and-workout-like-a-caveman/comment-page-2/#comment-20977 ryan barger Sat, 03 Jan 2009 17:30:15 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=902#comment-20977 all awesome stuff, as usual. i personally am a big fan of crossfit (http://www.crossfit.com/) which advocates a great program of high-intensity conditioning workouts, olympic weightlifting, and basic gymnastics, in addition to similar ideas about diet. i'm going on the warrior diet for the new year. all awesome stuff, as usual. i personally am a big fan of crossfit (http://www.crossfit.com/) which advocates a great program of high-intensity conditioning workouts, olympic weightlifting, and basic gymnastics, in addition to similar ideas about diet. i’m going on the warrior diet for the new year.

]]> By: Chris | Martial Development http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/30/eat-and-workout-like-a-caveman/comment-page-2/#comment-20882 Chris | Martial Development Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:09:22 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=902#comment-20882 How do we really know that cavemen suffered from less chronic stress than we do today? I might argue that they had <i>less</i> "time to relax". How do we really know that cavemen suffered from less chronic stress than we do today? I might argue that they had less “time to relax”.

]]> By: Victor http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/30/eat-and-workout-like-a-caveman/comment-page-2/#comment-18797 Victor Fri, 05 Dec 2008 15:55:12 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=902#comment-18797 Genetic Medicine is a new field of medicine that hypothesizes that diseases are byproducts of misadaptation of humans relating the environment. If we continued living as cavemen probably we would live free from diabetes, many cancers and other degenerative diseases. A good explanation of such diseases can be foud here: <a href="http://www.biology-questions-and-answers.com/degenerative-diseases.html" rel="nofollow">review of degenerative diseases</a>. Genetic Medicine is a new field of medicine that hypothesizes that diseases are byproducts of misadaptation of humans relating the environment. If we continued living as cavemen probably we would live free from diabetes, many cancers and other degenerative diseases. A good explanation of such diseases can be foud here: review of degenerative diseases.

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]]> By: How to be healthy & strong the Caveman way - The WebZappr http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/30/eat-and-workout-like-a-caveman/comment-page-2/#comment-17154 How to be healthy & strong the Caveman way - The WebZappr Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:44:43 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=902#comment-17154 [...] to be healthy & strong the Caveman way clipped by: Spiritualmonkey Clip Source: artofmanliness.com if you look at the overall health and fitness of the Paleolithic (or “hunter and gather” [...] [...] to be healthy & strong the Caveman way clipped by: Spiritualmonkey Clip Source: artofmanliness.com if you look at the overall health and fitness of the Paleolithic (or “hunter and gather” [...]

]]> By: Myo http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/30/eat-and-workout-like-a-caveman/comment-page-1/#comment-16223 Myo Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:54:49 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=902#comment-16223 <a href='#comment-13513' rel="nofollow">@karmazon</a> - What about caveWOman? Would I be healthier if I were in a state of constant pregnancy and nursing from age 13 until 40? This article seems like just another way to say "Don't eat junk and exercise more," which is great advice... but the caveman comparison is just silly. Why would you want to make people reject your message by delivering it in such a controversial way? And breakfast IS important. Kids who eat before school consistently retain more and test better. That has to mean something. @karmazon –

What about caveWOman? Would I be healthier if I were in a state of constant pregnancy and nursing from age 13 until 40? This article seems like just another way to say “Don’t eat junk and exercise more,” which is great advice… but the caveman comparison is just silly. Why would you want to make people reject your message by delivering it in such a controversial way? And breakfast IS important. Kids who eat before school consistently retain more and test better. That has to mean something.

]]> By: Wylde Brumby http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/30/eat-and-workout-like-a-caveman/comment-page-1/#comment-16063 Wylde Brumby Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:02:59 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=902#comment-16063 I think that this concept of "average lifespan" being increased since the 1920s is false. Do abortions count towards calculations of the "average lifespan"? Walking on flat surfaces, pavement,etc is like isolation exercises for certain muscle groups. At least Cavemen walked on uneven terrain that promoted all muscles in their feet and legs to work together (Anybody see how walking on flat surfaces for most of your life could put unnatural stresses on you spine?). I think that this concept of “average lifespan” being increased since the 1920s is false. Do abortions count towards calculations of the “average lifespan”?

Walking on flat surfaces, pavement,etc is like isolation exercises for certain muscle groups. At least Cavemen walked on uneven terrain that promoted all muscles in their feet and legs to work together (Anybody see how walking on flat surfaces for most of your life could put unnatural stresses on you spine?).

]]> By: Chris http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/30/eat-and-workout-like-a-caveman/comment-page-1/#comment-14869 Chris Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:27:24 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=902#comment-14869 Breakfast is actually as important as they say, especially when it comes to blood sugar and insulin levels. Our bodies' blood sugar levels increase naturally in the morning hours (believed to be an evolutionary byproduct allowing your caveman to get out of bed and go kill some food), and stabilize after eating. When we go without eating, those higher blood sugar levels can stick around into the early afternoon. Granted, eating four bowls of Cocoa Puffs probably isn't the way to go, but eating a healthy breakfast is a good thing. Breakfast is actually as important as they say, especially when it comes to blood sugar and insulin levels. Our bodies’ blood sugar levels increase naturally in the morning hours (believed to be an evolutionary byproduct allowing your caveman to get out of bed and go kill some food), and stabilize after eating. When we go without eating, those higher blood sugar levels can stick around into the early afternoon. Granted, eating four bowls of Cocoa Puffs probably isn’t the way to go, but eating a healthy breakfast is a good thing.

]]> By: Rich http://artofmanliness.com/2008/09/30/eat-and-workout-like-a-caveman/comment-page-1/#comment-14673 Rich Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:09:01 +0000 http://artofmanliness.com/?p=902#comment-14673 Jared Diamond has a fantastic article on how the lifestyle of hunter-gatherers compares with societies that have developed agriculture. The basic thesis is that until very recently in human history, hunter-gatherers have typically lead longer, healthier lives than humans in agricultural societies--except for elite members of society or those who live in white-collar, post-industrial societies. http://www.environnement.ens.fr/perso/claessen/agriculture/mistake_jared_diamond.pdf Jared Diamond has a fantastic article on how the lifestyle of hunter-gatherers compares with societies that have developed agriculture. The basic thesis is that until very recently in human history, hunter-gatherers have typically lead longer, healthier lives than humans in agricultural societies–except for elite members of society or those who live in white-collar, post-industrial societies.

http://www.environnement.ens.fr/perso/claessen/agriculture/mistake_jared_diamond.pdf

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