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		<title>By: Manliness: The Baby and the Bathwater &#124; The Art of Manliness</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-2/#comment-58621</link>
		<dc:creator>Manliness: The Baby and the Bathwater &#124; The Art of Manliness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As we wrote about in our article on the history of male friendship, men used to enjoy much closer bonds with each other than they do today. In the 19th century, men [...]</description>
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		<title>By: ManInTheMaking</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-2/#comment-54826</link>
		<dc:creator>ManInTheMaking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 19:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;m sick of these modern concepts of male friendship. It&#039;s way too uncomfortable, and even feels unnatural, because of homophobia. Emotional and physical bonding is something that has lacked in my relationships and now I regret how shallow my friendships really are. I&#039;m working on it though. A real man shouldn&#039;t be afraid of close friendships. It takes strong effort though, especially in this modern world. Let&#039;s go deeper and form real manly companionship!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;m sick of these modern concepts of male friendship. It&#8217;s way too uncomfortable, and even feels unnatural, because of homophobia. Emotional and physical bonding is something that has lacked in my relationships and now I regret how shallow my friendships really are. I&#8217;m working on it though. A real man shouldn&#8217;t be afraid of close friendships. It takes strong effort though, especially in this modern world. Let&#8217;s go deeper and form real manly companionship!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Brinkerhoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Brinkerhoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to add that my thinking on male friendship was helped immensely by C.S. Lewis&#039; discourse on it in his wonderful book &quot;The Four Loves.&quot;  A fine bit of concise, layman&#039;s level philosophy on the different kinds of relationships, including an analysis of the dire straits modern men are in due to the castigation of close male friendship in our day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to add that my thinking on male friendship was helped immensely by C.S. Lewis&#8217; discourse on it in his wonderful book &#8220;The Four Loves.&#8221;  A fine bit of concise, layman&#8217;s level philosophy on the different kinds of relationships, including an analysis of the dire straits modern men are in due to the castigation of close male friendship in our day.</p>
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		<title>By: Past Imperfect by Julian Fellowes: The precision of the journey &#171; Vulpes Libris</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-2/#comment-48563</link>
		<dc:creator>Past Imperfect by Julian Fellowes: The precision of the journey &#171; Vulpes Libris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] awkwardness and repressed emotion of male family relationships, and indeed of male friendship (see this for a light-hearted look at men and their friends, and this for a more serious view) in the novel. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: 30 Days to a Better Man Day 17: Talk to 3 Strangers &#124; The Art of Manliness</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-2/#comment-32759</link>
		<dc:creator>30 Days to a Better Man Day 17: Talk to 3 Strangers &#124; The Art of Manliness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] new friends. We&#8217;ve previously discussed the importance of male friendships. Men who have more friends tend to be happier and live longer than men who don&#8217;t have any [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Edgar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edgar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 22:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article brought up significant points that seem to be invisible to us with the modern-day acceptance of that most unmanly of all activities: homosexuality. In the 19th century, homosexuality was simply unthinkable and unimaginable for the vast majority of people (which is not to say that there was no homosexual activity). It is precisely &lt;i&gt;because&lt;/i&gt; homosexuality was mentally non-existent that men could, for example, share a bed.

I will quote from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-07-021-f&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Requiem for Friendship: Why Boys Will Not Be Boys &amp; Other Consequences of the Sexual Revolution&lt;/a&gt;, a thought-provoking article showing how the sexual revolution in general, and homosexual liberation in particular, have been harmful for men, boys, and male relationships.

&quot;What is more, those who will suffer most from this movement [i.e., the sexual revolution and its concomitant homosexual liberation] are precisely those whom our society, stupidly considering them little more than pests or dolts, has ignored. I mean boys.

&quot;How is this so? Return to the example of Lincoln. His age was surely not more tolerant of homosexuality or of sexual deviancy generally than is ours: Accounts of the Civil War show young men brought to the brink of blackest despair by their inability to break the habit of self-abuse. How, then, if deviancy was such a reproach, could Lincoln risk sharing a bed with a man and having the fact be publicly known? But that is precisely the point. Only in such a case is the bed-sharing possible.

&quot;I am sorry to have to use strong language, but only when sodomy is treated as a matter of course for everyone (as in the institutionalized buggery of boys and young men in ancient Sparta) or when it is met with such opprobrium that nobody would assume that a good man would engage in it, could Lincoln and his friend share that bed without suffering ridicule. The stigma against sodomy cleared away ample space for an emotionally powerful friendship that did not involve sexual intercourse, exactly as the stigma against incest allows for the physical and emotional freedom of a family.

&quot;...The libertinism of our day thrusts boys and girls together long before they are intellectually and emotionally ready for it, and at the same time the defiant promotion of homosexuality makes the natural and once powerful friendships among boys virtually impossible.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article brought up significant points that seem to be invisible to us with the modern-day acceptance of that most unmanly of all activities: homosexuality. In the 19th century, homosexuality was simply unthinkable and unimaginable for the vast majority of people (which is not to say that there was no homosexual activity). It is precisely <i>because</i> homosexuality was mentally non-existent that men could, for example, share a bed.</p>
<p>I will quote from <a href="http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=18-07-021-f" rel="nofollow">A Requiem for Friendship: Why Boys Will Not Be Boys &amp; Other Consequences of the Sexual Revolution</a>, a thought-provoking article showing how the sexual revolution in general, and homosexual liberation in particular, have been harmful for men, boys, and male relationships.</p>
<p>&#8220;What is more, those who will suffer most from this movement [i.e., the sexual revolution and its concomitant homosexual liberation] are precisely those whom our society, stupidly considering them little more than pests or dolts, has ignored. I mean boys.</p>
<p>&#8220;How is this so? Return to the example of Lincoln. His age was surely not more tolerant of homosexuality or of sexual deviancy generally than is ours: Accounts of the Civil War show young men brought to the brink of blackest despair by their inability to break the habit of self-abuse. How, then, if deviancy was such a reproach, could Lincoln risk sharing a bed with a man and having the fact be publicly known? But that is precisely the point. Only in such a case is the bed-sharing possible.</p>
<p>&#8220;I am sorry to have to use strong language, but only when sodomy is treated as a matter of course for everyone (as in the institutionalized buggery of boys and young men in ancient Sparta) or when it is met with such opprobrium that nobody would assume that a good man would engage in it, could Lincoln and his friend share that bed without suffering ridicule. The stigma against sodomy cleared away ample space for an emotionally powerful friendship that did not involve sexual intercourse, exactly as the stigma against incest allows for the physical and emotional freedom of a family.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;The libertinism of our day thrusts boys and girls together long before they are intellectually and emotionally ready for it, and at the same time the defiant promotion of homosexuality makes the natural and once powerful friendships among boys virtually impossible.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Art of Manliness Weekly Roundup: I Love You, Man Edition &#124; The Art of Manliness</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-2/#comment-24575</link>
		<dc:creator>The Art of Manliness Weekly Roundup: I Love You, Man Edition &#124; The Art of Manliness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 18:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at the same time.  While it&#8217;s a comedy, the film makes good points on the importance of male friendships and the difficulty many men today have in creating and maintaining them. If you&#8217;re looking [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bud Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 17:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just saw the flick, &quot;I Love You, Man.&quot;  The movie puts a really interesting spin on the male-male bond.  It&#039;s hysterical because after seeing it last night and reading this article today, I realize the friends I have now will be forever there for me.

&quot;I Love You, Man&quot; makes it cool to tell your friends that you love them, although it is still a weird thing to hear or say.  But having two of my oldest friends in town this weekend made the movie so much more than just a comedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw the flick, &#8220;I Love You, Man.&#8221;  The movie puts a really interesting spin on the male-male bond.  It&#8217;s hysterical because after seeing it last night and reading this article today, I realize the friends I have now will be forever there for me.</p>
<p>&#8220;I Love You, Man&#8221; makes it cool to tell your friends that you love them, although it is still a weird thing to hear or say.  But having two of my oldest friends in town this weekend made the movie so much more than just a comedy.</p>
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		<title>By: The Art of Manliness Weekly Roundup: Last Call For Voting Edition &#124; The Art of Manliness</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-2/#comment-19468</link>
		<dc:creator>The Art of Manliness Weekly Roundup: Last Call For Voting Edition &#124; The Art of Manliness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 17:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all pitched in to help Stephen make it through the day and help take care of his sons. Man friendships can be [...]</description>
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		<title>By: How to Make Friends and Keep Man Friends &#124; The Art of Manliness</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-2/#comment-15940</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Make Friends and Keep Man Friends &#124; The Art of Manliness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] weeks ago we posted an article about the history and nature of man friendships. Several readers added comments in which they lamented the difficulty in both making and keeping man [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brucifer</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-2/#comment-15543</link>
		<dc:creator>Brucifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article!  I too, miss the strong bonding experienced in the military.   

Also, my unit had a number of gays and it was not so much a matter of &quot;Don&#039;t Ask - Don&#039;t Tell&quot; as it was of Don&#039;t Give A Flipin Shit.  I clearly remember holding and comforting a gay military comrade whose long-time lover had just died in a  freakish accident during a field training exercise.  The entire unit, officers and enlisted, deeply mourned the deceased, who had long held the reputation as the finest soldier among us. 

Please know that I am also gratified at the civil, genteel and often erudite comments on this blog.  It is a quite refreshing change from the boorish juvenility evidenced elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article!  I too, miss the strong bonding experienced in the military.   </p>
<p>Also, my unit had a number of gays and it was not so much a matter of &#8220;Don&#8217;t Ask &#8211; Don&#8217;t Tell&#8221; as it was of Don&#8217;t Give A Flipin Shit.  I clearly remember holding and comforting a gay military comrade whose long-time lover had just died in a  freakish accident during a field training exercise.  The entire unit, officers and enlisted, deeply mourned the deceased, who had long held the reputation as the finest soldier among us. </p>
<p>Please know that I am also gratified at the civil, genteel and often erudite comments on this blog.  It is a quite refreshing change from the boorish juvenility evidenced elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Day &#171; Life in Chiapas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Day &#171; Life in Chiapas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] History and Nature of Male Friendships     &#160; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Konsten att kramas manligt &#171; trollhare</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-2/#comment-14381</link>
		<dc:creator>Konsten att kramas manligt &#171; trollhare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Inte sÃ¥ mycket att killar kunde vara gosigare mot varandra fÃ¶rr, utan mer hur moderna killar mÃ¥ste hÃ¥lla pÃ¥ och bekrÃ¤fta sin manlighet/heterosexualitet hela [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Inte sÃ¥ mycket att killar kunde vara gosigare mot varandra fÃ¶rr, utan mer hur moderna killar mÃ¥ste hÃ¥lla pÃ¥ och bekrÃ¤fta sin manlighet/heterosexualitet hela [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Male Bonds and Video Games &#171; thegrabble.com</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/24/the-history-and-nature-of-man-friendships/comment-page-2/#comment-14144</link>
		<dc:creator>Male Bonds and Video Games &#171; thegrabble.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 3. (Related to the first link). The History and Nature of Man Friendships. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ive had the same two friends since grade school, weve been like brothers since the day we met, we are so close as friends have acted way in public that would make us look gay to the average american man, this article hit the nail on the head how phenomenal a male friendship can be can recover from anything and be stronger than ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ive had the same two friends since grade school, weve been like brothers since the day we met, we are so close as friends have acted way in public that would make us look gay to the average american man, this article hit the nail on the head how phenomenal a male friendship can be can recover from anything and be stronger than ever.</p>
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