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	<title>Comments on: Why Being &#8220;Indie&#8221; is a Bunch of Bunk</title>
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		<title>By: The &#8216;TRAP&#8221; Trying To Be Indie &#124; Reaching For Lucidty 2.0 Productions</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/10/why-being-indie-is-a-bunch-of-bunk/comment-page-3/#comment-54953</link>
		<dc:creator>The &#8216;TRAP&#8221; Trying To Be Indie &#124; Reaching For Lucidty 2.0 Productions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 13:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Art of Manliness had a great take on why indie is bunk, hell that was the title of the post, Why Being &#8220;Indie&#8221; is a Bunch of Bunk. Check it out, it is a good read. Probably more coherent than my [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Art of Manliness had a great take on why indie is bunk, hell that was the title of the post, Why Being &#8220;Indie&#8221; is a Bunch of Bunk. Check it out, it is a good read. Probably more coherent than my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Indie Guy</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/10/why-being-indie-is-a-bunch-of-bunk/comment-page-3/#comment-23142</link>
		<dc:creator>Indie Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 09:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These days, Indie describes the music more than the culture.</description>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/10/why-being-indie-is-a-bunch-of-bunk/comment-page-3/#comment-21481</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 06:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>p.s.
I&#039;d go so far as to say I&#039;m indie, and a man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>p.s.<br />
I&#8217;d go so far as to say I&#8217;m indie, and a man.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/10/why-being-indie-is-a-bunch-of-bunk/comment-page-3/#comment-21444</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Getting married (when the time is right of course) is an essential and vital part of manhood.&quot;

ha! lets just alienate everyone not interested in marriage, people who may never meet a suitable partner, homosexuals...

or Not....u could just help everyone &quot;man up&quot; without the narrow dogma



and...u could have said more about the concept that shopping independently, organically, locally, etc can help make the world better by supporting businesses that act responsibly, sustainably, chemical-free, fair trade, and on and on, rather than perpetuating corporate globalization/homogenization</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Getting married (when the time is right of course) is an essential and vital part of manhood.&#8221;</p>
<p>ha! lets just alienate everyone not interested in marriage, people who may never meet a suitable partner, homosexuals&#8230;</p>
<p>or Not&#8230;.u could just help everyone &#8220;man up&#8221; without the narrow dogma</p>
<p>and&#8230;u could have said more about the concept that shopping independently, organically, locally, etc can help make the world better by supporting businesses that act responsibly, sustainably, chemical-free, fair trade, and on and on, rather than perpetuating corporate globalization/homogenization</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/10/why-being-indie-is-a-bunch-of-bunk/comment-page-3/#comment-21423</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 07:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I used to really like this blog till it started ratting on anything they deemed not manly.
I don&#039;t see how you can just diss on something like this, and then back it up from sources like wikipedia. If you think that being indie is about being different and whatnot from everyone else then you&#039;re wrong. You can&#039;t just define something like that and then toot your own horn, it&#039;s hypocritical. 
I thought this website was about being your own man, but apparently not if you&#039;re indie. You lost a reader with this article. I really think that this is a rude blog, and if you really care about your readers then I would expect more respect to each individual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I used to really like this blog till it started ratting on anything they deemed not manly.<br />
I don&#8217;t see how you can just diss on something like this, and then back it up from sources like wikipedia. If you think that being indie is about being different and whatnot from everyone else then you&#8217;re wrong. You can&#8217;t just define something like that and then toot your own horn, it&#8217;s hypocritical.<br />
I thought this website was about being your own man, but apparently not if you&#8217;re indie. You lost a reader with this article. I really think that this is a rude blog, and if you really care about your readers then I would expect more respect to each individual.</p>
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		<title>By: laddiebuck</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/10/why-being-indie-is-a-bunch-of-bunk/comment-page-3/#comment-16262</link>
		<dc:creator>laddiebuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 07:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clothes will never distinguish you. 5 words of conversation instantly can, though. If in person, the way you carry yourself and your face will be enough. Over the phone, the tone, volume, intonation, tempo, style and emotion of your voice will be enough. By almost all people, this is not consciously focussed on, and in totality reveal much about your personality -- all before the content of what you say (which is really what distinguishes you or doesn&#039;t) even enters the picture. Someone adept at making snap judgements (this comes with experience, hastened by conscious training) will make very accurate ones in an incredibly brief time.

But when you&#039;ve actually done something, it&#039;s enough to let your actions speak for themselves or other people speak for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clothes will never distinguish you. 5 words of conversation instantly can, though. If in person, the way you carry yourself and your face will be enough. Over the phone, the tone, volume, intonation, tempo, style and emotion of your voice will be enough. By almost all people, this is not consciously focussed on, and in totality reveal much about your personality &#8212; all before the content of what you say (which is really what distinguishes you or doesn&#8217;t) even enters the picture. Someone adept at making snap judgements (this comes with experience, hastened by conscious training) will make very accurate ones in an incredibly brief time.</p>
<p>But when you&#8217;ve actually done something, it&#8217;s enough to let your actions speak for themselves or other people speak for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/10/why-being-indie-is-a-bunch-of-bunk/comment-page-2/#comment-13972</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks as though some comments made about this indie article are looking too far into the subject.  The article seems to be about keeping personal independence no matter what others may have followed into.  The indie culture would just be the first target unfortunately because of the idea that indie represents free and independent thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks as though some comments made about this indie article are looking too far into the subject.  The article seems to be about keeping personal independence no matter what others may have followed into.  The indie culture would just be the first target unfortunately because of the idea that indie represents free and independent thought.</p>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/10/why-being-indie-is-a-bunch-of-bunk/comment-page-2/#comment-13965</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 00:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when i was in highschool i wore all black, and certain kinds of pants from hot topic but always black, i still wear black at all times, other then at work, because im comfortable in it, but im straying from my point in highschool i was consistantly labeled as goth, and i am by no means goth i was a victim of consumer stereotyping, i was followed in the mall by the security guards because i was that kid in all black with few or no people around, i live in the bible belt so there is an abundance of ignorance towards people who arent the same as you. to finally make my point i have never labeled myself in any one particular group nor do i want to be labeled simply because i then have to conform to that group</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when i was in highschool i wore all black, and certain kinds of pants from hot topic but always black, i still wear black at all times, other then at work, because im comfortable in it, but im straying from my point in highschool i was consistantly labeled as goth, and i am by no means goth i was a victim of consumer stereotyping, i was followed in the mall by the security guards because i was that kid in all black with few or no people around, i live in the bible belt so there is an abundance of ignorance towards people who arent the same as you. to finally make my point i have never labeled myself in any one particular group nor do i want to be labeled simply because i then have to conform to that group</p>
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		<title>By: on being &#34;indie&#34; &#171; petite artichoke</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/10/why-being-indie-is-a-bunch-of-bunk/comment-page-2/#comment-12078</link>
		<dc:creator>on being &#34;indie&#34; &#171; petite artichoke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] being&#160;&quot;indie&quot;   Published August 12, 2008   light       I enjoyed this article quite a bit. My favorite [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JConda</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/10/why-being-indie-is-a-bunch-of-bunk/comment-page-2/#comment-11703</link>
		<dc:creator>JConda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 18:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term &#039;indie&#039; is a marketing term.  People who consider themselves &#039;indie&#039; are victims of said marketing.  No one with a truly independent spirit considers themselves or anything they do in life &#039;indie&#039;.  

So, in my opinion, this post attacks, not those who stay true to themselves and follow their own hearts and individual intellects in the matters of style, art and occupation.  Rather it targets those who want to wallow in the facade of being &#039;indie&#039; without truly dedicating themselves to what that really means, and allowing researchers in corporate boardrooms to dictate what&#039;s cool and what&#039;s not.

As far as consumption goes, the United States is based on commerce.  The dollar has power.  So, instead of the supermarket I may spend my dollars at the local farmers market or community owned organic grocery (please note: Whole Foods is an excellent example of a large company with an effective marketing scheme as described above...as is Mac, Volkswagen, Chipotle..etc.)

Where I choose to spend my dollars without being affected by someones persuasive marketing has a lot to do with my independence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8216;indie&#8217; is a marketing term.  People who consider themselves &#8216;indie&#8217; are victims of said marketing.  No one with a truly independent spirit considers themselves or anything they do in life &#8216;indie&#8217;.  </p>
<p>So, in my opinion, this post attacks, not those who stay true to themselves and follow their own hearts and individual intellects in the matters of style, art and occupation.  Rather it targets those who want to wallow in the facade of being &#8216;indie&#8217; without truly dedicating themselves to what that really means, and allowing researchers in corporate boardrooms to dictate what&#8217;s cool and what&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>As far as consumption goes, the United States is based on commerce.  The dollar has power.  So, instead of the supermarket I may spend my dollars at the local farmers market or community owned organic grocery (please note: Whole Foods is an excellent example of a large company with an effective marketing scheme as described above&#8230;as is Mac, Volkswagen, Chipotle..etc.)</p>
<p>Where I choose to spend my dollars without being affected by someones persuasive marketing has a lot to do with my independence.</p>
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		<title>By: The Art of Manliness - New on my blogroll &#171; For The Love Of Dayton</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/10/why-being-indie-is-a-bunch-of-bunk/comment-page-2/#comment-11104</link>
		<dc:creator>The Art of Manliness - New on my blogroll &#171; For The Love Of Dayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 17:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Why Being â€œIndieâ€? is a Bunch of Bunk [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nan</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/10/why-being-indie-is-a-bunch-of-bunk/comment-page-2/#comment-10815</link>
		<dc:creator>Nan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I generally steer clear of people who make rash generalizations of people, be it the color of their skin or the label on their cardigan.&quot; 

If that isn&#039;t a contradiction I don&#039;t know what is!! LOL</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I generally steer clear of people who make rash generalizations of people, be it the color of their skin or the label on their cardigan.&#8221; </p>
<p>If that isn&#8217;t a contradiction I don&#8217;t know what is!! LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/10/why-being-indie-is-a-bunch-of-bunk/comment-page-2/#comment-10804</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, if &quot;indie&quot; is merely what you characterize it as, it is a &quot;bunch of bunk.&quot; But I&#039;m not sure that that&#039;s all that there is too it enough of the time to make such a generalization. In fact, it seems likely that an observer only distinguishes this group by their consumption, and in a bout of self-importance decides that this is where the line is actually drawn. (This may be true of many other groups, as well.)

What is also a bunch of bunk is needlessly looking for a group of people to typecast and denigrate. But hey, I&#039;m sure the controversy will get you some nice blog traffic for a little while.

When I subscribed to your RSS feed some months, I found the article premises, at least, to be intriguing, and was often impressed by the quality of the article itself, as well. Since then, though, it has largely been uninteresting but inoffensive, and so I check the feed less often. With this article, however, you&#039;re simply uninteresting -- and I&#039;m not even an indie kid. Bravo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, if &#8220;indie&#8221; is merely what you characterize it as, it is a &#8220;bunch of bunk.&#8221; But I&#8217;m not sure that that&#8217;s all that there is too it enough of the time to make such a generalization. In fact, it seems likely that an observer only distinguishes this group by their consumption, and in a bout of self-importance decides that this is where the line is actually drawn. (This may be true of many other groups, as well.)</p>
<p>What is also a bunch of bunk is needlessly looking for a group of people to typecast and denigrate. But hey, I&#8217;m sure the controversy will get you some nice blog traffic for a little while.</p>
<p>When I subscribed to your RSS feed some months, I found the article premises, at least, to be intriguing, and was often impressed by the quality of the article itself, as well. Since then, though, it has largely been uninteresting but inoffensive, and so I check the feed less often. With this article, however, you&#8217;re simply uninteresting &#8212; and I&#8217;m not even an indie kid. Bravo.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Novi</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/10/why-being-indie-is-a-bunch-of-bunk/comment-page-2/#comment-10749</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Novi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t say I agree with this bit of advice: &quot;don&#039;t be ironic and sarcastic&quot; (it also contrasts with your recent advocacy of oratory).

If you meant &quot;don&#039;t be a smart-ass&quot;, then I agree. It&#039;s all a matter of dosage, as it often happens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t say I agree with this bit of advice: &#8220;don&#8217;t be ironic and sarcastic&#8221; (it also contrasts with your recent advocacy of oratory).</p>
<p>If you meant &#8220;don&#8217;t be a smart-ass&#8221;, then I agree. It&#8217;s all a matter of dosage, as it often happens.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/08/10/why-being-indie-is-a-bunch-of-bunk/comment-page-2/#comment-10747</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was interesting, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was interesting, thanks.</p>
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