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		<title>By: Money and Career Advice from Benjamin Franklin &#124; The Art of Manliness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Money and Career Advice from Benjamin Franklin &#124; The Art of Manliness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Richard&#8221; in his yearly almanac of the same name. The adages focused mainly on the virtues of industry and frugality. In 1758, Franklin reflected on all the maxims he wrote during the first 25 years of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Money and Career Advice from Benjamin Franklin’s Way to Wealth - Kitchen Drawer Illustrated</title>
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		<dc:creator>Money and Career Advice from Benjamin Franklin’s Way to Wealth - Kitchen Drawer Illustrated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Richard” in his yearly almanac of the same name. The adages focused mainly on the virtues of industry and frugality. In 1758, Franklin reflected on all the maxims he wrote during the first 25 years of [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Self Improvement and Personal Development Link Love, Volume 31 : Today Is That Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Self Improvement and Personal Development Link Love, Volume 31 : Today Is That Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 22:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Art of Manliness - The post The Virtuous Life: Industry does a great job of pointing out that although we have the means to outsource many areas of our [...]</description>
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		<title>By: conglomeration of crap &#171; A Virtuous Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>conglomeration of crap &#171; A Virtuous Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] â€œINDUSTRY. Lose no time; be always employ&#039;d in something useful; cut off all unnecessary actions.â€ [...]</description>
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		<title>By: can you work less then 4 hours</title>
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		<dc:creator>can you work less then 4 hours</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 11:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ferris industries</title>
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		<dc:creator>ferris industries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Almanya sohbet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Almanya sohbet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will always be people to do the work, because not everyone is capable of following the FWW lifestyle.</description>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I&#039;ve always been confused about one thing about Franklin&#039;s virtues. It seems like Order, Resolution, and Industry overlap or sound very similar. I wonder how Franklin and other people differentiate between those 3 when trying to make marks at the end of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve always been confused about one thing about Franklin&#8217;s virtues. It seems like Order, Resolution, and Industry overlap or sound very similar. I wonder how Franklin and other people differentiate between those 3 when trying to make marks at the end of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: The Virtuous Life: Wrap Up &#124; The Art of Manliness</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Virtuous Life: Wrap Up &#124; The Art of Manliness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 03:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Industry Lose no time. Be always employed in something useful. Cut off all unnecessary actions. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: arkanabar t'verrick ilarsadin</title>
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		<dc:creator>arkanabar t'verrick ilarsadin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 20:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My job is pretty menial, and I am highly intelligent.  And yet it provides me with some satisfaction and fulfillment because I recognize its value and that I am paid fairly for the work I actually do.

Recognition of those two aspects of &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt; job, when they exist, can make it much more tolerable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My job is pretty menial, and I am highly intelligent.  And yet it provides me with some satisfaction and fulfillment because I recognize its value and that I am paid fairly for the work I actually do.</p>
<p>Recognition of those two aspects of <i>any</i> job, when they exist, can make it much more tolerable.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 05:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;1. How can leisure have any meaning in the absence of work? Oftentimes I crave a break from work, and when it finally comes, the first week of relaxation is fantastic. The second week is also enjoyable, but after that it gets a bit old and boring; I start to feel antsy and once more want to be engaged in doing something useful. By being industrious, when you actually get a break, it feels fantastic. You can&#039;t have the sweet without the bitter.&quot;

Could not agree more.  Earlier this year, I had a serious surgery, and I was looking forward to the leisure time during recuperation.  Well, after two weeks, I was stir-crazy.  I didn&#039;t just WANT to get back to work, I NEEDED to.  I was on logged onto my computer remotely all day, answering e-mails and writing documents when I should have been on my back, resting.  When I got a fever the next week and had to miss two more days, I was so angry!  It taught me a great lesson about idleness and the accompanied feelings of inadequacy and uselessness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;1. How can leisure have any meaning in the absence of work? Oftentimes I crave a break from work, and when it finally comes, the first week of relaxation is fantastic. The second week is also enjoyable, but after that it gets a bit old and boring; I start to feel antsy and once more want to be engaged in doing something useful. By being industrious, when you actually get a break, it feels fantastic. You can&#8217;t have the sweet without the bitter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Could not agree more.  Earlier this year, I had a serious surgery, and I was looking forward to the leisure time during recuperation.  Well, after two weeks, I was stir-crazy.  I didn&#8217;t just WANT to get back to work, I NEEDED to.  I was on logged onto my computer remotely all day, answering e-mails and writing documents when I should have been on my back, resting.  When I got a fever the next week and had to miss two more days, I was so angry!  It taught me a great lesson about idleness and the accompanied feelings of inadequacy and uselessness.</p>
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		<title>By: lifestyle books</title>
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		<dc:creator>lifestyle books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: virtuous</title>
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		<dc:creator>virtuous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 14:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let it be said that I agree with everything you said about labor developing virtue.

But you have quite unfairly mischaracterized the Four Hour Work Week system.

Especially your statement that &quot;What does it teach your kids if they see that every time dad has an unpleasant job to do, he makes someone else do it?&quot;

First of all, no one is making anyone do anything.  The FWW does not advocate slavery or coercion.  A person who agrees to do your outsourced task does it because it&#039;s beneficial for them to receive the money you&#039;re offering.

Next point: EVERYONE outsources to some degree.  Everyone.  If you&#039;ve ever bought a greeting card, you have outsourced.  You could have cut the card and pasted designs on it, painted or drawn the art, hand-written the thoughtful poem inside, and delivered it in person to the recipient.  In buying and mailing a card, you have outsourced the task of writer, designer, artist, and delivery.

Sometimes we outsorce a job because it&#039;s unpleasant.  Other times, we do it because we don&#039;t know how and don&#039;t have time to learn how.  Or we don&#039;t have time even if you do know how.

But we also outsource tasks if it will free us to do more valuable things with our time.  These more valuable things may come as leisure, or as work of a higher order.

I may pay a guy to plow my driveway because I don&#039;t want to shovel it at 5 a.m. every morning in winter.

I may pay a CPA to do my taxes because he can do a better job than I can, and in a shorter amount of time.

As a IT worker, I primarily use my brain, not my muscle, at work.  But I also love nailing shingles to roofs and helping my friends move boxes to a new apartment across town.  I get something out of it that isn&#039;t financial.

To demonstrate, consider this.  If a manager can type 150 WPM and makes $200,000 per year, he may be the fastest typist in the world, but it&#039;s still a waste of time for him to type his own business letters, because he&#039;s not getting paid $200,000 per year because he&#039;s a good typist; he&#039;s getting paid that salary because he has excellent people skills and management experience.

It&#039;s all a matter of specialization and division of labor.

The answer to &quot;who will do the work?&quot; is elementary.

There will always be people to do the work, because not everyone is capable of following the FWW lifestyle.  Ferriss has expert management skills, and he does not assume that everyone will gain these skills by reading his book.  But those with a knack for management, upon reading his book, will gain insight at how to apply that skill to working more efficiently.  This leads to my next point, which is that the lifestyle designer doesn&#039;t quit working.  He simply reduces his work to the tasks that he is best at.

This hardly makes the people doing the outsourced work a second class of worker.  The fact that some people work for other people is hardly limited to Ferriss&#039; approach.  It is everywhere in a modern economy.  People always work for other people.

Despite my defense of it, I will point out that taking the FWW lifestyle (and even basic labor specialization) to an extreme can trivialize and even dehumanize life.  I would strongly stand against paying someone to walk the dog, play with your kids, or write love letters to your wife.  But if someone does these things, it is a fault of their attitudes about life and their priorities, not of a particular system of managing one&#039;s life.

If one can manage his tasks and delegate the ones that drag him down and waste his time, he will be enabled to do these very things (e.g. spending time with family) and live a richer, more full life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let it be said that I agree with everything you said about labor developing virtue.</p>
<p>But you have quite unfairly mischaracterized the Four Hour Work Week system.</p>
<p>Especially your statement that &#8220;What does it teach your kids if they see that every time dad has an unpleasant job to do, he makes someone else do it?&#8221;</p>
<p>First of all, no one is making anyone do anything.  The FWW does not advocate slavery or coercion.  A person who agrees to do your outsourced task does it because it&#8217;s beneficial for them to receive the money you&#8217;re offering.</p>
<p>Next point: EVERYONE outsources to some degree.  Everyone.  If you&#8217;ve ever bought a greeting card, you have outsourced.  You could have cut the card and pasted designs on it, painted or drawn the art, hand-written the thoughtful poem inside, and delivered it in person to the recipient.  In buying and mailing a card, you have outsourced the task of writer, designer, artist, and delivery.</p>
<p>Sometimes we outsorce a job because it&#8217;s unpleasant.  Other times, we do it because we don&#8217;t know how and don&#8217;t have time to learn how.  Or we don&#8217;t have time even if you do know how.</p>
<p>But we also outsource tasks if it will free us to do more valuable things with our time.  These more valuable things may come as leisure, or as work of a higher order.</p>
<p>I may pay a guy to plow my driveway because I don&#8217;t want to shovel it at 5 a.m. every morning in winter.</p>
<p>I may pay a CPA to do my taxes because he can do a better job than I can, and in a shorter amount of time.</p>
<p>As a IT worker, I primarily use my brain, not my muscle, at work.  But I also love nailing shingles to roofs and helping my friends move boxes to a new apartment across town.  I get something out of it that isn&#8217;t financial.</p>
<p>To demonstrate, consider this.  If a manager can type 150 WPM and makes $200,000 per year, he may be the fastest typist in the world, but it&#8217;s still a waste of time for him to type his own business letters, because he&#8217;s not getting paid $200,000 per year because he&#8217;s a good typist; he&#8217;s getting paid that salary because he has excellent people skills and management experience.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all a matter of specialization and division of labor.</p>
<p>The answer to &#8220;who will do the work?&#8221; is elementary.</p>
<p>There will always be people to do the work, because not everyone is capable of following the FWW lifestyle.  Ferriss has expert management skills, and he does not assume that everyone will gain these skills by reading his book.  But those with a knack for management, upon reading his book, will gain insight at how to apply that skill to working more efficiently.  This leads to my next point, which is that the lifestyle designer doesn&#8217;t quit working.  He simply reduces his work to the tasks that he is best at.</p>
<p>This hardly makes the people doing the outsourced work a second class of worker.  The fact that some people work for other people is hardly limited to Ferriss&#8217; approach.  It is everywhere in a modern economy.  People always work for other people.</p>
<p>Despite my defense of it, I will point out that taking the FWW lifestyle (and even basic labor specialization) to an extreme can trivialize and even dehumanize life.  I would strongly stand against paying someone to walk the dog, play with your kids, or write love letters to your wife.  But if someone does these things, it is a fault of their attitudes about life and their priorities, not of a particular system of managing one&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>If one can manage his tasks and delegate the ones that drag him down and waste his time, he will be enabled to do these very things (e.g. spending time with family) and live a richer, more full life.</p>
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		<title>By: the four hour work week</title>
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		<dc:creator>the four hour work week</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2008 13:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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