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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a recovering alcoholic I had to find,yield to and continue to practice these principles to remain sober. It has taught me a better way of life.</description>
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		<title>By: Why Being "Indie" is a Bunch of Bunk &#124; The Art of Manliness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Why Being "Indie" is a Bunch of Bunk &#124; The Art of Manliness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 17:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DP</title>
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		<dc:creator>DP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article.  This is the article that tuned me into AoM a long time ago.  I had just watched &quot;Secondhand Lions&quot; and in the film &quot;Hub&quot; gives his nephew an excerpt from the speech &quot;Everything a boy needs to know about becoming a man&quot;  I was inspired and searched google in hopes that the entire speech existed somewhere.  Unfortunately it didn&#039;t, but that search lead me to AoM, which is essentially a constantly changing ever growing version of what that speech could be.  I&#039;ve been greatful ever since.

Speech:

&quot; Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. That people are basically good. That honour, courage and virtue mean everything ; that power and money ... money and power mean nothing. That good always triumphs over evil. And I want you to remember this.... that love....true love never dies ! Remember that boy ... remember that. Doesn&#039;t matter if it is true or not, a man should believe in those things , because those are the things worth believing in...... got that ? &quot; - Hub (Movie: Secondhand Lions)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.  This is the article that tuned me into AoM a long time ago.  I had just watched &#8220;Secondhand Lions&#8221; and in the film &#8220;Hub&#8221; gives his nephew an excerpt from the speech &#8220;Everything a boy needs to know about becoming a man&#8221;  I was inspired and searched google in hopes that the entire speech existed somewhere.  Unfortunately it didn&#8217;t, but that search lead me to AoM, which is essentially a constantly changing ever growing version of what that speech could be.  I&#8217;ve been greatful ever since.</p>
<p>Speech:</p>
<p>&#8221; Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. That people are basically good. That honour, courage and virtue mean everything ; that power and money &#8230; money and power mean nothing. That good always triumphs over evil. And I want you to remember this&#8230;. that love&#8230;.true love never dies ! Remember that boy &#8230; remember that. Doesn&#8217;t matter if it is true or not, a man should believe in those things , because those are the things worth believing in&#8230;&#8230; got that ? &#8221; &#8211; Hub (Movie: Secondhand Lions)</p>
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		<title>By: The Weekly Round-Up &#124; The Art of Manliness</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Weekly Round-Up &#124; The Art of Manliness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Sep 2009 17:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Best of Art of Manliness 2008 &#124; The Art of Manliness</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Best of Art of Manliness 2008 &#124; The Art of Manliness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 01:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: D.M. Cook</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/comment-page-1/#comment-8124</link>
		<dc:creator>D.M. Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic thoughts, Brett &amp; Kate. Especially the idea that &quot;consistency is the game for pros&quot;. I&#039;m finding myself in a rebellious phase of my life right now and realizing just how difficult--and how much more essential and meaningful-- being truly consistent, truly dependable, is. Being consistent is one of my new guiding principles, and reading that from this blog (which I&#039;ve only recently discovered) is a fantastic confirmation of what I&#039;ve been thinking for some time. Thank you!

And your point about selflessness and servitude-- bravo! What a concise and beautiful point: &quot;Whether through kids or causes, becoming a man means serving someone or something greater than yourself.&quot;

The most important thing to remember is that (as others have said), many things we think of as being selfless are in fact egoic-- getting married and having kids especially. To truly evolve and &quot;grow up&quot;, we need to stop using others to get what we want and start using and seeing ourselves as &lt;b&gt;tools with which to serve others.&lt;/b&gt;

Great work, guys!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic thoughts, Brett &amp; Kate. Especially the idea that &#8220;consistency is the game for pros&#8221;. I&#8217;m finding myself in a rebellious phase of my life right now and realizing just how difficult&#8211;and how much more essential and meaningful&#8211; being truly consistent, truly dependable, is. Being consistent is one of my new guiding principles, and reading that from this blog (which I&#8217;ve only recently discovered) is a fantastic confirmation of what I&#8217;ve been thinking for some time. Thank you!</p>
<p>And your point about selflessness and servitude&#8211; bravo! What a concise and beautiful point: &#8220;Whether through kids or causes, becoming a man means serving someone or something greater than yourself.&#8221;</p>
<p>The most important thing to remember is that (as others have said), many things we think of as being selfless are in fact egoic&#8211; getting married and having kids especially. To truly evolve and &#8220;grow up&#8221;, we need to stop using others to get what we want and start using and seeing ourselves as <b>tools with which to serve others.</b></p>
<p>Great work, guys!</p>
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		<title>By: characteristics of a man</title>
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		<dc:creator>characteristics of a man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 12:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my surroundings, these traits have stood out as defining characteristics of passage into manhood.http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/7 Vital Characteristics of a Man ... - StumbleUponWebsite review of 7 Vital characteristics of a man [...]</description>
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		<title>By: NEUROTIN information. &#187; NEUROTIN.US</title>
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		<dc:creator>NEUROTIN information. &#187; NEUROTIN.US</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] old. So what is it that really determines whether someone has crossed from boyhood into manhood?read more &#124; digg [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jaime</title>
		<link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/comment-page-1/#comment-1871</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Humility and selflessness are not necessarily qualities of a man, depending on your place in history, these might have very well been traits of chattel (women, children, and slaves).  A Roman or Greek would have recognized them as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humility and selflessness are not necessarily qualities of a man, depending on your place in history, these might have very well been traits of chattel (women, children, and slaves).  A Roman or Greek would have recognized them as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are all apects of the personality of Jesus the Christ. He was consistent, selfless and humility was his middle name. We do what we can do for those we come in contact with during our lifetime. This is probably no more than around 500 people or so with varying amounts of influence.  But Jesus was the perfect example to untold billions of christian men, believers and non-believers alike. He gave his whole life to try to save others(all who will believe) from eternal death.

He not only showed us what it means to be a real man, but also revealed to us the character and purpose of God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are all apects of the personality of Jesus the Christ. He was consistent, selfless and humility was his middle name. We do what we can do for those we come in contact with during our lifetime. This is probably no more than around 500 people or so with varying amounts of influence.  But Jesus was the perfect example to untold billions of christian men, believers and non-believers alike. He gave his whole life to try to save others(all who will believe) from eternal death.</p>
<p>He not only showed us what it means to be a real man, but also revealed to us the character and purpose of God.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-03-25 &#171; regeneration</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2008-03-25 &#171; regeneration</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 16:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Fresh From The Randomizer at Rhythmic Dissonance</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fresh From The Randomizer at Rhythmic Dissonance</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] all the things that are unworthy of my time. Something that caught my attention in particular was this post which lists what really &#8220;determines whether someone has crossed from boyhood into [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hamilton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, humility, consistency, and selflessness are the three pillars of manhood.  He who gives of their natural gifts and enthusiasm without expecting anything back in return will receive more than he can  imagine.  To reference an old movie, check out &quot;It&#039;s a Wonderful Life&quot;.  You rarely know how much a life well-lived effects others!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, humility, consistency, and selflessness are the three pillars of manhood.  He who gives of their natural gifts and enthusiasm without expecting anything back in return will receive more than he can  imagine.  To reference an old movie, check out &#8220;It&#8217;s a Wonderful Life&#8221;.  You rarely know how much a life well-lived effects others!</p>
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		<title>By: Rodney Hampton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rodney Hampton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could have done an in-depth post on selflessness alone.  It&#039;s an especially tricky concept to wrap your head around, particularly if you&#039;ve read a lot of Ayn Rand as I have.  Furthermore, there is definitely a tension between the kind of rugged individualism that Americans say they aspire to, and understanding that where we are in life has a lot to do with a lot of help (seen and unseen) we got along the way.

Additionally, the kind of honorable selflessness that has been tied up with concepts of the warrior throughout the ages is too easily exploited by, say, a government that doesn&#039;t value the sacrifices of its soldiers and spends their lives on adventures in foreign lands without a plan to bring them home again.  

However, being a man isn&#039;t necessarily about selflessness in a traditional altruistic sense of the word.  It&#039;s about shouldering responsibilities.  Sometimes those responsibilities are put on you by circumstances beyond your control  like if you&#039;re the first on the scene at an accident.  Sometimes you create a duty you have to follow through on because you chose to raise your right hand and agree to serve for a term.

Sometimes your responsibilities are solely to yourself and your own sense of excellence.  You set a goal and you work your tail off for it.  If you reach it, great, set another goal aim higher, strive to be better.  This isn&#039;t about competing with others at a certain point, it becomes about competing with yourself.  

When you&#039;re first starting out, sometimes your responsibilities are pretty simple: feed, clothe and house yourself so you aren&#039;t a burden on the taxpaying men who have their head screwed on straight.

Later, if you create a situation where you&#039;ve brought some little lives into this world, you&#039;ve chosen to take on the additional responsibilities that fatherhood entails.  

In all of these cases, from the outside it looks like you&#039;re being selfless.  In actuality, many of these choices are completely selfish and are done to satisfy your own ego.  What matters, however, is that once you embark on a task you see it through to completion unless it is entirely impractical to do so.
  
Confused as I am yet?  Much of being a man, I&#039;m certain, is likewise tangled and bundled together.  When someone has the right stuff you know it.  When they don&#039;t, it&#039;s just as obvious.

But, keep writing your blog posts.  Maybe we can all figure it out together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could have done an in-depth post on selflessness alone.  It&#8217;s an especially tricky concept to wrap your head around, particularly if you&#8217;ve read a lot of Ayn Rand as I have.  Furthermore, there is definitely a tension between the kind of rugged individualism that Americans say they aspire to, and understanding that where we are in life has a lot to do with a lot of help (seen and unseen) we got along the way.</p>
<p>Additionally, the kind of honorable selflessness that has been tied up with concepts of the warrior throughout the ages is too easily exploited by, say, a government that doesn&#8217;t value the sacrifices of its soldiers and spends their lives on adventures in foreign lands without a plan to bring them home again.  </p>
<p>However, being a man isn&#8217;t necessarily about selflessness in a traditional altruistic sense of the word.  It&#8217;s about shouldering responsibilities.  Sometimes those responsibilities are put on you by circumstances beyond your control  like if you&#8217;re the first on the scene at an accident.  Sometimes you create a duty you have to follow through on because you chose to raise your right hand and agree to serve for a term.</p>
<p>Sometimes your responsibilities are solely to yourself and your own sense of excellence.  You set a goal and you work your tail off for it.  If you reach it, great, set another goal aim higher, strive to be better.  This isn&#8217;t about competing with others at a certain point, it becomes about competing with yourself.  </p>
<p>When you&#8217;re first starting out, sometimes your responsibilities are pretty simple: feed, clothe and house yourself so you aren&#8217;t a burden on the taxpaying men who have their head screwed on straight.</p>
<p>Later, if you create a situation where you&#8217;ve brought some little lives into this world, you&#8217;ve chosen to take on the additional responsibilities that fatherhood entails.  </p>
<p>In all of these cases, from the outside it looks like you&#8217;re being selfless.  In actuality, many of these choices are completely selfish and are done to satisfy your own ego.  What matters, however, is that once you embark on a task you see it through to completion unless it is entirely impractical to do so.</p>
<p>Confused as I am yet?  Much of being a man, I&#8217;m certain, is likewise tangled and bundled together.  When someone has the right stuff you know it.  When they don&#8217;t, it&#8217;s just as obvious.</p>
<p>But, keep writing your blog posts.  Maybe we can all figure it out together.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McCullagh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark McCullagh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post Cameron.

I always respect and appreciate consistency.

To be selfless and giving without expectations benefits everyone in your life.

Humility.  So misunderstood and, in a sense, underrated these days. The opposite is pride. I like what you said about real men being secure in their abilities etc. If more people practiced humility, think of how much better the world would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Cameron.</p>
<p>I always respect and appreciate consistency.</p>
<p>To be selfless and giving without expectations benefits everyone in your life.</p>
<p>Humility.  So misunderstood and, in a sense, underrated these days. The opposite is pride. I like what you said about real men being secure in their abilities etc. If more people practiced humility, think of how much better the world would be.</p>
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