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> <channel><title>Comments on: So You Want To Become a Man</title> <atom:link href="http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/</link> <description>Men&#039;s Interests and Lifestyle</description> <lastBuildDate>Sat, 20 Mar 2010 01:33:41 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Michael</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-80540</link> <dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:00:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-80540</guid> <description>A great study. These are principles i will continue to abide by for the rest of my life.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great study. These are principles i will continue to abide by for the rest of my life.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Gary</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-52988</link> <dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 20:34:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-52988</guid> <description>As a recovering alcoholic I had to find,yield to and continue to practice these principles to remain sober. It has taught me a better way of life.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a recovering alcoholic I had to find,yield to and continue to practice these principles to remain sober. It has taught me a better way of life.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: DP</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-45708</link> <dc:creator>DP</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 14:45:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-45708</guid> <description>Great article.  This is the article that tuned me into AoM a long time ago.  I had just watched &quot;Secondhand Lions&quot; and in the film &quot;Hub&quot; gives his nephew an excerpt from the speech &quot;Everything a boy needs to know about becoming a man&quot;  I was inspired and searched google in hopes that the entire speech existed somewhere.  Unfortunately it didn&#039;t, but that search lead me to AoM, which is essentially a constantly changing ever growing version of what that speech could be.  I&#039;ve been greatful ever since.Speech:&quot; Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. That people are basically good. That honour, courage and virtue mean everything ; that power and money ... money and power mean nothing. That good always triumphs over evil. And I want you to remember this.... that love....true love never dies ! Remember that boy ... remember that. Doesn&#039;t matter if it is true or not, a man should believe in those things , because those are the things worth believing in...... got that ? &quot; - Hub (Movie: Secondhand Lions)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.  This is the article that tuned me into AoM a long time ago.  I had just watched &#8220;Secondhand Lions&#8221; and in the film &#8220;Hub&#8221; gives his nephew an excerpt from the speech &#8220;Everything a boy needs to know about becoming a man&#8221;  I was inspired and searched google in hopes that the entire speech existed somewhere.  Unfortunately it didn&#8217;t, but that search lead me to AoM, which is essentially a constantly changing ever growing version of what that speech could be.  I&#8217;ve been greatful ever since.</p><p>Speech:</p><p>&#8221; Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. That people are basically good. That honour, courage and virtue mean everything ; that power and money &#8230; money and power mean nothing. That good always triumphs over evil. And I want you to remember this&#8230;. that love&#8230;.true love never dies ! Remember that boy &#8230; remember that. Doesn&#8217;t matter if it is true or not, a man should believe in those things , because those are the things worth believing in&#8230;&#8230; got that ? &#8221; &#8211; Hub (Movie: Secondhand Lions)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: D.M. Cook</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-8124</link> <dc:creator>D.M. Cook</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:32:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-8124</guid> <description>Fantastic thoughts, Brett &amp; Kate. Especially the idea that &quot;consistency is the game for pros&quot;. I&#039;m finding myself in a rebellious phase of my life right now and realizing just how difficult--and how much more essential and meaningful-- being truly consistent, truly dependable, is. Being consistent is one of my new guiding principles, and reading that from this blog (which I&#039;ve only recently discovered) is a fantastic confirmation of what I&#039;ve been thinking for some time. Thank you!And your point about selflessness and servitude-- bravo! What a concise and beautiful point: &quot;Whether through kids or causes, becoming a man means serving someone or something greater than yourself.&quot;The most important thing to remember is that (as others have said), many things we think of as being selfless are in fact egoic-- getting married and having kids especially. To truly evolve and &quot;grow up&quot;, we need to stop using others to get what we want and start using and seeing ourselves as &lt;b&gt;tools with which to serve others.&lt;/b&gt;Great work, guys!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic thoughts, Brett &amp; Kate. Especially the idea that &#8220;consistency is the game for pros&#8221;. I&#8217;m finding myself in a rebellious phase of my life right now and realizing just how difficult&#8211;and how much more essential and meaningful&#8211; being truly consistent, truly dependable, is. Being consistent is one of my new guiding principles, and reading that from this blog (which I&#8217;ve only recently discovered) is a fantastic confirmation of what I&#8217;ve been thinking for some time. Thank you!</p><p>And your point about selflessness and servitude&#8211; bravo! What a concise and beautiful point: &#8220;Whether through kids or causes, becoming a man means serving someone or something greater than yourself.&#8221;</p><p>The most important thing to remember is that (as others have said), many things we think of as being selfless are in fact egoic&#8211; getting married and having kids especially. To truly evolve and &#8220;grow up&#8221;, we need to stop using others to get what we want and start using and seeing ourselves as <b>tools with which to serve others.</b></p><p>Great work, guys!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jaime</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1871</link> <dc:creator>Jaime</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 04:07:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1871</guid> <description>Humility and selflessness are not necessarily qualities of a man, depending on your place in history, these might have very well been traits of chattel (women, children, and slaves).  A Roman or Greek would have recognized them as such.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Humility and selflessness are not necessarily qualities of a man, depending on your place in history, these might have very well been traits of chattel (women, children, and slaves).  A Roman or Greek would have recognized them as such.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Dan</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1814</link> <dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 11:02:26 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1814</guid> <description>These are all apects of the personality of Jesus the Christ. He was consistent, selfless and humility was his middle name. We do what we can do for those we come in contact with during our lifetime. This is probably no more than around 500 people or so with varying amounts of influence.  But Jesus was the perfect example to untold billions of christian men, believers and non-believers alike. He gave his whole life to try to save others(all who will believe) from eternal death.He not only showed us what it means to be a real man, but also revealed to us the character and purpose of God.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are all apects of the personality of Jesus the Christ. He was consistent, selfless and humility was his middle name. We do what we can do for those we come in contact with during our lifetime. This is probably no more than around 500 people or so with varying amounts of influence.  But Jesus was the perfect example to untold billions of christian men, believers and non-believers alike. He gave his whole life to try to save others(all who will believe) from eternal death.</p><p>He not only showed us what it means to be a real man, but also revealed to us the character and purpose of God.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hamilton</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1426</link> <dc:creator>Hamilton</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 05:37:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1426</guid> <description>I agree, humility, consistency, and selflessness are the three pillars of manhood.  He who gives of their natural gifts and enthusiasm without expecting anything back in return will receive more than he can  imagine.  To reference an old movie, check out &quot;It&#039;s a Wonderful Life&quot;.  You rarely know how much a life well-lived effects others!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, humility, consistency, and selflessness are the three pillars of manhood.  He who gives of their natural gifts and enthusiasm without expecting anything back in return will receive more than he can  imagine.  To reference an old movie, check out &#8220;It&#8217;s a Wonderful Life&#8221;.  You rarely know how much a life well-lived effects others!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Rodney Hampton</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1389</link> <dc:creator>Rodney Hampton</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 04:31:24 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1389</guid> <description>You could have done an in-depth post on selflessness alone.  It&#039;s an especially tricky concept to wrap your head around, particularly if you&#039;ve read a lot of Ayn Rand as I have.  Furthermore, there is definitely a tension between the kind of rugged individualism that Americans say they aspire to, and understanding that where we are in life has a lot to do with a lot of help (seen and unseen) we got along the way.Additionally, the kind of honorable selflessness that has been tied up with concepts of the warrior throughout the ages is too easily exploited by, say, a government that doesn&#039;t value the sacrifices of its soldiers and spends their lives on adventures in foreign lands without a plan to bring them home again.However, being a man isn&#039;t necessarily about selflessness in a traditional altruistic sense of the word.  It&#039;s about shouldering responsibilities.  Sometimes those responsibilities are put on you by circumstances beyond your control  like if you&#039;re the first on the scene at an accident.  Sometimes you create a duty you have to follow through on because you chose to raise your right hand and agree to serve for a term.Sometimes your responsibilities are solely to yourself and your own sense of excellence.  You set a goal and you work your tail off for it.  If you reach it, great, set another goal aim higher, strive to be better.  This isn&#039;t about competing with others at a certain point, it becomes about competing with yourself.When you&#039;re first starting out, sometimes your responsibilities are pretty simple: feed, clothe and house yourself so you aren&#039;t a burden on the taxpaying men who have their head screwed on straight.Later, if you create a situation where you&#039;ve brought some little lives into this world, you&#039;ve chosen to take on the additional responsibilities that fatherhood entails.In all of these cases, from the outside it looks like you&#039;re being selfless.  In actuality, many of these choices are completely selfish and are done to satisfy your own ego.  What matters, however, is that once you embark on a task you see it through to completion unless it is entirely impractical to do so.
Confused as I am yet?  Much of being a man, I&#039;m certain, is likewise tangled and bundled together.  When someone has the right stuff you know it.  When they don&#039;t, it&#039;s just as obvious.But, keep writing your blog posts.  Maybe we can all figure it out together.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could have done an in-depth post on selflessness alone.  It&#8217;s an especially tricky concept to wrap your head around, particularly if you&#8217;ve read a lot of Ayn Rand as I have.  Furthermore, there is definitely a tension between the kind of rugged individualism that Americans say they aspire to, and understanding that where we are in life has a lot to do with a lot of help (seen and unseen) we got along the way.</p><p>Additionally, the kind of honorable selflessness that has been tied up with concepts of the warrior throughout the ages is too easily exploited by, say, a government that doesn&#8217;t value the sacrifices of its soldiers and spends their lives on adventures in foreign lands without a plan to bring them home again.</p><p>However, being a man isn&#8217;t necessarily about selflessness in a traditional altruistic sense of the word.  It&#8217;s about shouldering responsibilities.  Sometimes those responsibilities are put on you by circumstances beyond your control  like if you&#8217;re the first on the scene at an accident.  Sometimes you create a duty you have to follow through on because you chose to raise your right hand and agree to serve for a term.</p><p>Sometimes your responsibilities are solely to yourself and your own sense of excellence.  You set a goal and you work your tail off for it.  If you reach it, great, set another goal aim higher, strive to be better.  This isn&#8217;t about competing with others at a certain point, it becomes about competing with yourself.</p><p>When you&#8217;re first starting out, sometimes your responsibilities are pretty simple: feed, clothe and house yourself so you aren&#8217;t a burden on the taxpaying men who have their head screwed on straight.</p><p>Later, if you create a situation where you&#8217;ve brought some little lives into this world, you&#8217;ve chosen to take on the additional responsibilities that fatherhood entails.</p><p>In all of these cases, from the outside it looks like you&#8217;re being selfless.  In actuality, many of these choices are completely selfish and are done to satisfy your own ego.  What matters, however, is that once you embark on a task you see it through to completion unless it is entirely impractical to do so.</p><p>Confused as I am yet?  Much of being a man, I&#8217;m certain, is likewise tangled and bundled together.  When someone has the right stuff you know it.  When they don&#8217;t, it&#8217;s just as obvious.</p><p>But, keep writing your blog posts.  Maybe we can all figure it out together.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Mark McCullagh</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1385</link> <dc:creator>Mark McCullagh</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 00:19:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1385</guid> <description>Great post Cameron.I always respect and appreciate consistency.To be selfless and giving without expectations benefits everyone in your life.Humility.  So misunderstood and, in a sense, underrated these days. The opposite is pride. I like what you said about real men being secure in their abilities etc. If more people practiced humility, think of how much better the world would be.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post Cameron.</p><p>I always respect and appreciate consistency.</p><p>To be selfless and giving without expectations benefits everyone in your life.</p><p>Humility.  So misunderstood and, in a sense, underrated these days. The opposite is pride. I like what you said about real men being secure in their abilities etc. If more people practiced humility, think of how much better the world would be.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ST @ WhataManKnows</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1384</link> <dc:creator>ST @ WhataManKnows</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:29:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1384</guid> <description>Excellent observations -- great work.Sincerely, ST</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent observations &#8212; great work.</p><p>Sincerely, ST</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Zubairc C</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1383</link> <dc:creator>Zubairc C</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 23:24:06 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1383</guid> <description>Thanks for posting this.  Several of your comments resonate with what was said by a Muslim scholar, Imam Sulami, in his Book of Chivalry, nearly a thousand years ago:&quot;Chivalry is that a young man adheres to the following code (extract from a long treatise):1) That he brings joy to the lives of friends and meets their needs.
2) That he responds to cruelty with kindness, and does not punish an error.
3) That he does not find fault with his friends.
4) That he is relaxed and open-hearted with his brothers.
5) That he is generous.
6) That he keeps up old friendships.
7) That he looks after his friends and neighbours.
8) That he is lenient with his friends.
9) That he permits his friends to use his possessions as if they were their own.
10) That he invites guests, offers food and is hospitable.
11) That he respects his friends and shows his respect for them.
12) That he is truthful.
13) That he is satisfied with little for himself and wishes much for others.
14) That he brings joy to the lives of friends and meets their needs.
15) That he responds to cruelty with kindness, and does not punish an error.&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this.  Several of your comments resonate with what was said by a Muslim scholar, Imam Sulami, in his Book of Chivalry, nearly a thousand years ago:</p><p>&#8220;Chivalry is that a young man adheres to the following code (extract from a long treatise):</p><p>1) That he brings joy to the lives of friends and meets their needs.<br
/> 2) That he responds to cruelty with kindness, and does not punish an error.<br
/> 3) That he does not find fault with his friends.<br
/> 4) That he is relaxed and open-hearted with his brothers.<br
/> 5) That he is generous.<br
/> 6) That he keeps up old friendships.<br
/> 7) That he looks after his friends and neighbours.<br
/> <img
src='http://artofmanliness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> That he is lenient with his friends.<br
/> 9) That he permits his friends to use his possessions as if they were their own.<br
/> 10) That he invites guests, offers food and is hospitable.<br
/> 11) That he respects his friends and shows his respect for them.<br
/> 12) That he is truthful.<br
/> 13) That he is satisfied with little for himself and wishes much for others.<br
/> 14) That he brings joy to the lives of friends and meets their needs.<br
/> 15) That he responds to cruelty with kindness, and does not punish an error.&#8221;</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Julee</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1379</link> <dc:creator>Julee</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:02:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1379</guid> <description>Good work Cam.  Very insightful!  But, what else can we expect from such a Manly Man?!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work Cam.  Very insightful!  But, what else can we expect from such a Manly Man?!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jim</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1378</link> <dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:37:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1378</guid> <description>Excellent! Boils it down to the core: selfless, consistent, humble. I&#039;m 40 with a wife and two daughters, and often I feel like I&#039;m still a 10-year-old kid who doesn&#039;t know his place in the world of adults.I seem to have become a responsible adult in spite of my self-doubts. However, I still occasionally go on a search for what manhood/adulthood means (that&#039;s what led me to this site).Discussing it with my (wonderful) wife recently, she basically said what this blog did, and told me as far as she&#039;s concerned, I meet these three criteria and that&#039;s proof enough to her that I&#039;m a good man. Reading it here reinforces it and makes me feel good about myself (although I&#039;ll probably always be having the self-doubt).Regards,Jim</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent! Boils it down to the core: selfless, consistent, humble. I&#8217;m 40 with a wife and two daughters, and often I feel like I&#8217;m still a 10-year-old kid who doesn&#8217;t know his place in the world of adults.</p><p>I seem to have become a responsible adult in spite of my self-doubts. However, I still occasionally go on a search for what manhood/adulthood means (that&#8217;s what led me to this site).</p><p>Discussing it with my (wonderful) wife recently, she basically said what this blog did, and told me as far as she&#8217;s concerned, I meet these three criteria and that&#8217;s proof enough to her that I&#8217;m a good man. Reading it here reinforces it and makes me feel good about myself (although I&#8217;ll probably always be having the self-doubt).</p><p>Regards,</p><p>Jim</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Raj</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1375</link> <dc:creator>Raj</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:09:11 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1375</guid> <description>I really liked the post and I agree that it really means a lot of people trust one to be there for them when needed.Dugg the post and even subscribed to Schaefer’s Blog :)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked the post and I agree that it really means a lot of people trust one to be there for them when needed.</p><p>Dugg the post and even subscribed to Schaefer’s Blog <img
src='http://artofmanliness.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Bill</title><link>http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1374</link> <dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:05:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://artofmanliness.com/2008/03/20/so-you-want-to-become-a-man/#comment-1374</guid> <description>&quot;t seems not, as there are plenty of boys walking around wearing the bodies of men, holding degrees, jobs and a hefty mortgage, but retaining the soul of an 8-year old.&quot;Who says there isn&#039;t great writing on blogs?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;t seems not, as there are plenty of boys walking around wearing the bodies of men, holding degrees, jobs and a hefty mortgage, but retaining the soul of an 8-year old.&#8221;</p><p>Who says there isn&#8217;t great writing on blogs?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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