As weird as it sounds – that’s been my experience, too. My first gf ended up being a lesbo and now that I’ve had that experience, I’m much more perceptive of different womans’ sexual inclinations. I’ve found that a huge portion of them actually are (or are open to the idea) of being gay.

Maybe that is a result partially attributed to the equally sizable sea of man-boys out there?

Ask for the girl’s phone number after meeting, talking, or dancing with her in person after a few minutes of conversation and then move on. Call her and make whimsical, friendly conversation asking her if she would like to have kids, if so, how many, the importance of comfortable shoes and underwear, the last book she read and liked, the things that should be done to improve the town you live in, and the places the both of you would like to travel and why. All of these varieties of topics or similar ones are meant to engage her brain in multiple ways. To create an altered state. She is going to try to weave a narrative out of the meaning of all this, but she won’t. Because there really isn’t one. You want to turn off her “man-repellent” mode if there is one and just access her “girl” at heart.

If she doesn’t respond to any of these conversation starters with some sort of enthusiasm or laughter, she’s probably not going to accept a date invitation. If she laughs at any of your jokes, or expounds on any of the topics, ask her out. If you are unsure, ask her anyway. By first saying that you would like to go out with her. Ask her when she would be available. And pause……..until she speaks.

Whatever she’s says next is her answer. Anything other than a time is a “NO”. If she says she’ll get back to on that, don’t offer your number. Let her ask.

If she says yes, ask her to bring a girlfriend and then proceed to spend most of your time convincing her friend of your worthiness by engaging in the same type of conversation you had with the girl. All the time, acknowledging your date, and getting her to chime in. Spend a minutes, here and there, apart by taking a restroom break or getting food or drinks. This will be a critical part of the date to allow feedback between them to become digested. After restarting the conversation, re-emphasize your attention to your date. Then continue will her girlfriend.

When the date is over, if you’ve done a good job on the boyfriend interview, her friend will convince her of your worthiness if she was impressed herself.

Do not underestimate the importance of her friend’s opinions. You were going to get deconstructed anyways. Might as well go straight to the source.

Demonstrate courage and straightforwardness. And polite invincibility. Even if things don’t work out, you’re unlikely to get completely blacklisted among the circle of acquaintances these people know, unless you really do something stupid. Remain calm and polite. You’ll be remembered even if one of their friends is afraid to break rank about dating you. Whatever you do, don’t be just “friends”. Move on if no one if biting.

I’ve had girls break things off with me by admitting they were engaged when I started talking to them. If she’s interested she’ll say yes, at least to talking to you, even if it she shouldn’t be.

I’ve been on both sides of this, from the outside looking in and from the in looking out and seen decent guys blow their chances for lack of courage. Forever doomed.

Some of you guys will spend hours on getting playing video games to master a level or boss. Use the same persistence. Consider it a game.

And please turn off the porn. Learn to deal with real people and not fantasy. So you can get a real girlfriend.

In a world full of pussies, be a man. You’ll be respected for it even if hurts your ego every now and then.

The thing that gets me, though, is this: There is this girl who always has some excuse as to why she can’t do whatever it is I”m inviting her to do. We’ve known each other awhile, and she has shown flirty behavior, but every time I try to make some advance there’s always some excuse. Now, she’s a very busy girl, and so her excuses are usually legit. However, like you said in the post, wouldn’t she be willing to drop some of her plans if she really liked me? Or at least suggest an alternative (something she never has done).

However, here is the kicker. I often will get discouraged and just give up, but it’s seems that every time I do she comes along and says or does something that communicates to me like she’s still interested in me. It’s like the closer I try to get to her the more I feel pushed away, and the farther I draw away the closer she tries to get to me. I guess this is what you all have been referring to as “playing games” with me.

So I don’t know what to think of the situation.

^ I strongly disagree here and some of what is said in this tiny paragraph is false information.

What about asking them for an alternate time? Have you even forgot to add that in? You are not completely shut out just because she says that she has plans without telling a time herself.

It doesn’t matter if the person has interest in you or not. It only matters on you and how you feel. If the person wants to make a stupid desision by not giving you (the right person) a chance, then it is her fault to blame, not yours.

Also asking her out multiple times is not awkward. This is not even possible. If you ask her out multiple times, then that shows how much you love and care for that person. You are not being used as a tool. Again, if she says no or tries to say no, it is her own fault to blame and not yours.

Anyways, if she is not interested, you don’t need to have a relationship with that person, even if you love them.